Counterfeit Leupold Scopes

cody c said:
Also, what's with the agression towards the chinese?

Have you even ever thought about this?

When you live in a poor poor communist country and lack a lot of the things we take for granted Im sure you would appreciate any job, even the sweat shops owned by big foreign (read american!) corporations.

Here is the cruelty of it, the big corps (like nike, any power tool or appliance company, alot of computer companies etc.etc.) are owned by north american corps, but when it comes to not supporting north american economy we think we should be bombing the chinese people, as if they planned this out. Like the average chinese person is purposely trying to undermine us and destroy us?

Seriously, I think were being mislead here.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that Chinese workers are setting out to take advantage of the consumer. However it is fairly obvious that the Chinese government is making very little effort to thwart counterfeit production in China.
 
I will not ever buy any thing leupold makes. Many other choices out there which are better bang for the buck IMO. Also as stated in one of my threads, they are very bad IMO for over charging Canadians. I haven't checked in a while and this may have changed, but I doubt it. I am tired of Canadians being charged alot more than our US counterparts.
In Leupolds defence they are not the only company, who gouges Canadians. Our own home grown, corporate welfare case, Bombadier/ Can-Am, is a master at it.
 
cody c said:
Well stated, that is a better way of reinforcing the CGN policy against promoting illegal activity!
But... (i might be trolling here) does US law apply to the actions of canadians living in canada or US citizens while in the states only? As an example, no one at the border crossing (canadian customs) cares if you have a scope at the border crossing, US customs will crap a brick if you are in their country under their laws trying to export a scope apparently, but that is alot different than ordering something online (in canada) from the states to canada. Having said that I am not advocating buying a scope online, but asking to point out the canadian law that states it is illegal. If we fall under american law while living up in canuckistan someone please tell me how/why?

So basically, an american exporting a scope I can see as illegal, A canadian ordering a scope online... well I havent seen any Canadian laws that state this is illegal. It seems like the accountability falls on the vendor, If im wrong please forgive me and back up your statement as to why.
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you are correct
 
alta780 said:
Buying from a legit dealer is the best way to combat the counterfeits'. However dealers in Canada do make decent mark up as they should. Doing business here is not "much more expensive, and as a matter of fact coroprate tax rates are better. There are some expenses which are higher, and some which are lower, but as I have stated in another thread the manufacturers are gouging Canadians, VS Americans with many products from
hunting to fishing to toys to appliances to Can-Am quads to cars, and boats and many other things and we keep paying. Counterfeit goods are selling well here because the unsuspecting, are tired of paying the high prices, and they get dupped. This problem in Canada, and elsewhere is in a large part brought on by the corporate overcharging of us. Common sense should be your guide.
But corporate overcharging, should be challenged. The wife and I are going to the US for our 25th, and we plan to bring back a new SUV, and it sure aint because we "want" to buy it there.


The bottom line is fair pricing from corporations will result in a big reduction of the sale of fakes. It will also curb the cross border buying explosion, which they deal with by threatening to take away a dealers franchise or dealer rights if they sell to Canadians. Rather than just giving us fair pricing in the first place.
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Finally someone hit the nail on the head. Corporations overcharge because the Canadian market CAN TAKE IT ! trust me, I worked for for of them. Our mark up was way bigger and products way more expensive then in the US (sometimes 30-50%), because the customer does not have any other choice (then cross border shopping). And competition jacks the prices too as much as company I worked for. Screw the Canadian customer, hold him hostage, corporate greed. So I have no problem to shop down south.
 
All these guys ragging on genuine Leupolds, what exactly have you done with them (F Class competitions where it failed you, etc and other experiences appreciated, not internet hot air)?

I've used Mark IV's for probably going on ten years now- they are top shelf. A lot of snipers / real world folks off the internet would agree with that.
 
Hard to believe anyone would think a genuine Leupold is crap. Whether its the best value for the money, depends on where you put your emphasis, but in any even all of mine have been quality. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one for a hunting rife, as that is the (only) area I have experience with them.
 
I've bought and sold a few of the MK 4 copies. I always told the buyer what they were getting and sold for a fair price of $125 to 150 ish. I've used them mainly on heavy barrelled 22 rifles and they work just fine for that. I never tried them on a centerfire. They are good scopes for the purpose I used them for.
 
Not quite the place for this, but sort of...I have used 5 c-more replicas, all but one worked great, even on a .38 super. The one that didn't work had the lens not glued/affixed properly - pretty major failure in the QC, but given that I got 5 for less than the price of a real one, I will take that. If the USA won't send us stuff, maybe the Chinese will!
 
It kinda makes me laugh when I hear about people using counterfeits with success. If some name brand manufacturers didn't always push the old "what the market will pay" philosophy, the counterfeit game would stop. I guess though that with us Canadian's we will pay so they will charge, and when the price is much more than it really should be, a few counterfeits are no big deal. As for American's not selling firearms related stuff to us, I think that the manufacturers helped the US government with the policies in place so that they wouldn't have competition from everyday people, while over charging us. Thankfully there are a few Canadian dealers who will bring in stuff on an order basis from the US, as for me I paid $890 (the US price) for my $1395 (the Canadian price) scope, landed to my door, and it isn't a Knock off.
 
alta780 said:
It kinda makes me laugh when I hear about people using counterfeits with success. If some name brand manufacturers didn't always push the old "what the market will pay" philosophy, the counterfeit game would stop. I guess though that with us Canadian's we will pay so they will charge, and when the price is much more than it really should be, a few counterfeits are no big deal. As for American's not selling firearms related stuff to us, I think that the manufacturers helped the US government with the policies in place so that they wouldn't have competition from everyday people, while over charging us. Thankfully there are a few Canadian dealers who will bring in stuff on an order basis from the US, as for me I paid $890 (the US price) for my $1395 (the Canadian price) scope, landed to my door, and it isn't a Knock off.
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So there is a dealer in Canada that can get me a leupold 6.5x20x40EFR at the US price?
If I could get c-mores at the US price I would, but I can't so...next best thing.
 
I would call Profit River, but don't expect any warranty, due to the little control the market price fixing game between Leupold and Korth. Just so I don't get slammed my scope was actually quoted here at $1350 by a dealer who didn't have one, the $1395 price was from one who did. I didn't need it instantly so I ordered from PR, and saved a bunch landed right to my door.

Just a side note for those who don't think price fixing/gouging doesn't go on in Canada. I was listening to a feed on the radio a while back, that had a guy from the government consumer protection and a reporter, as well as call in questions. This issue skirting panzzy Gov guy basically said that companies have more right for controlled price fixing then we have for a free market by purchasing where we can get the best price. they do it by refusing warranty, threatening franchises of US dealers and various other heavy handed tactics, and this guy said that is OK.
So when you are over paying for your Honda, Or can=am (corporate welfare case) who took your tax money, never paid it back then moved to Mexico. Or leupold, and you pay way too much just think of your government consumer protection people, and realize that they leave their false teeth at home every time they go to the office.
 
I have two "fake Leupolds". I ordered a 4.5-14X50 directly from China for $64 delivered to my door. I put it on a Mossberg 146b. I shoot flies with this gun at 30 meters. A lot of scope for $64. In no way is it anything like a leupy. The "Leupold" sticker on the scope is there for comic relief in my opinion. I bought another one for another tack driver 22 I have. I paid extra for the model without the Leupy markings. The second scope was $69. The minute either one of them gives me any trouble, it will go for a ride on my .416. Should be real entertaining watching the parts fly off.

btw -I did put the first scope on a heavy barrelled, braked .308. (not much more recoil than a .223) The rifle grouped very poorly with this scope. I put the scope back on the .22 and all was good. I have not and will not try the other scope on anything but a 22.

If you like shooting bottle caps at 100 meters, or flies at 30 meters with a .22, these chinese scopes are a lot of fun.
 
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Anyone ever buy one from wholesale sports as a used leupold, at a good price cause they didnt have the box? Found out today afteu trying to sell the gun and this scope to someone.
 
It kinda makes me laugh when I hear about people using counterfeits with success. If some name brand manufacturers didn't always push the old "what the market will pay" philosophy, the counterfeit game would stop. I guess though that with us Canadian's we will pay so they will charge, and when the price is much more than it really should be, a few counterfeits are no big deal. As for American's not selling firearms related stuff to us, I think that the manufacturers helped the US government with the policies in place so that they wouldn't have competition from everyday people, while over charging us. Thankfully there are a few Canadian dealers who will bring in stuff on an order basis from the US, as for me I paid $890 (the US price) for my $1395 (the Canadian price) scope, landed to my door, and it isn't a Knock off.
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we can be our own worst enemies with the Canadian price for certain items. I have heard of a lot of fake leupolds out there and for that reason will only buy new from real dealers. I was looking to purchase a Leupold vx 2 3x9x40 with LR reticle pattern. I like to buy locally and like to spend my money in Canada when it makes sense to do so. With Lepold it does NOT make sense for me to purchase locally or even in Canada that I am aware of. Right now the going price for the Leupold vx 2 3x9x40 with LR reticle pattern in the US at a LOT of shops is $ 329.
for whatever reason ( perhaps not fault of their own ) the Canadian dealers will not come close to that number
 
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