VZ58 Reclassification?
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100% agree.
Just FYI mailing via post is more effective and taken more seriously
. Postage is free and takes as long as a email.
100% agree.
Just FYI mailing via post is more effective and take more seriously
Yep snail mail them too, gonna send mine out tomorrow.
PM, Toews and your MP. I wish we could start a twitter campaign as well, Harper listens to Twitter.
My mistake I had assumed TSE and CSC were involved in the importation process.
Ok, but how can the retailers of Swiss Arms rifles be informed and drop that news, as that is a similar scenario, and no ruling has been found there? And why can North Sylva comment in regards to the Kriss status and no ruling has been found there? I don't believe TSE, CSC, and north sylva are have broken any laws? I don't mean to be argumentative but I just don't see anything but 100% unsubstantiated rumor. Yes we should stand up for our rights, and there's some serious horse #### afoot, but misinformation doesn't help anyone.
It wasn't TSE or CSC that dropped the news on the Swiss Arms. It was Alberta Tactical Rifle Supply. EDIT** Found the original reveal thread.
I'm not 100% sure how ATRS got the information, but I'm glad they shared it and have stated they would again.
Perhaps now would be a good time to test the classification and the law and have a restricted 58 rebarreled to non-restricted and see what comes back from the firearms lab
.North Silva hasn't commented other than to confirm the pulling of the FRT. If word got out the CZ or VZ FRT has been pulled you can bet that the current importer would have to release such a comment. These comments are typically minimal while they work with the RCMP, and they have to be as their public words can be used for or against.
You'll have to forgive me as I either can't find the other business member that provided the information, or the thread has been deleted. Here's one;
As you can see there's no misinformation that I've posted, all of it can be substantiated. Of course I have to admit the FRT hasn't been pulled on the CZ or VZ that I know of, and that it's currently business as usual for the platforms, for now.
Again I say if you like your chosen semi auto platform then write a letter. Otherwise it's just a matter of time.
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Great. Like didn't already have enough buyers remorse with my second-hand 58(L).
Terrible rifle, unsafe headspace, the long chromed barrel was possibly made by trained monkeys at CZ Hermex.... I had two gunsmiths confirm it should have never left the factory and both declared it a lost cause.
And now it may be prohibited?
same here.
This document is from 2010 but more importantly is the statement with regards to the background specifically that Wolverine wants to import these rifles. In addition, the report also states, ‘More information of the firearm has been requested from the business prior to making a decision concerning the classification’.
I read this as a report filed when Wolverine initially filed for importation not something current. The important statement with regards to the CZ is ‘More information of the firearm has been requested from the business prior to making a decision concerning the classification’. If I am not mistaken that decision has already been made. In my mind this is the initial classification of the rifles imported by Wolverine not a reclassification, but I could be wrong.
This whole converted auto thing is sketchy
so if
VZ made the FA recievers BUT never installed the FA parts, stored them later they built them into semiauots they would NOT be converted auto as they were never auto to begin with.....
but if said recievers were assembled into working FA rifle then LATER remade to semi they would be converted auto
so if above is true just haveing a welded auto sear slot does NOT make it converted auto.......
so if
VZ made the FA recievers BUT never installed the FA parts, stored them later they built them into semiauots they would NOT be converted auto as they were never auto to begin with.....
but if said recievers were assembled into working FA rifle then LATER remade to semi they would be converted auto
so if above is true just haveing a welded auto sear slot does NOT make it converted auto.......
tHIS !!#$ IS EXACTLY WHY I purchaced mine used and after the regestry was abolished, break out the cosomoline and spade lol. If I remember right they tried this with the mini 14 as well welcome to kanakastan lol Rights verboden isint great to be free people.
WARMACHINE
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Lets see here:
Full auto- Less accurate-consumption of ammo greatly depleated in seconds-the need to change mags often causing a loss in controlling the "firefight".
Semi-auto- More accurate-the ability to conserve ammo over a greater period of time-the operator can dictate when to prepare to change mags which in turn has more control in a "firefight".
I personaly would be more concerned with a semi-auto rifle over a full-auto rifle, just sayin.
WM
Full auto- Less accurate-consumption of ammo greatly depleated in seconds-the need to change mags often causing a loss in controlling the "firefight".
Semi-auto- More accurate-the ability to conserve ammo over a greater period of time-the operator can dictate when to prepare to change mags which in turn has more control in a "firefight".
I personaly would be more concerned with a semi-auto rifle over a full-auto rifle, just sayin.
WM
And what does that have to do with this topic?
Unsubstantiated paranoia. There was a secret RCMP memo disclosed that showed that they wanted to reclassify it and suggesting that the government do so - evidently they look at it and could not do it. In order for the RCMP to reclassify it, they would have to prove one of three things:
1) They are converted automatics - they are not - they are built semi-auto.
2) They are variants of a firearm prohibited by name - they are not despite the cosmetic similarities to the AK.
3) They are easily converted to full auto - they are not.
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Its funny in the US when they wana ban something people start buying them up the crazy but here in Canada we start selling them like crazy ?? i cant help but notice all the SAN , Kriss , 858 rifles on the EE in the last week .. A lot of roll over and give up mentality from Canadian gun owners ..
to be fair, the USA has 10x the population, and a strong NRA. here we have SFA numbers wise, SFA representative wise. they will never lose their guns, we can at any minute. people want to try to free up some cash, before they come a knockin.
More likely the fact that when they ban firearms here, they confiscate them while in the US, banning them usually means you keep what you have and they simply stop the sale of them. HUGE difference. There is no chance that the 858 will be reclassified with government involvement anyway. You can bet that the RCMP did their best to do and could not find a way.
