This crap has to end. Can't have this gun, now you have to give that one back, hey is that a thirty round mag looks like your off to prison but go ahead and drown your baby in the bathtub and you can have a free plane ticket to Australia. I think some priorities in this country need to be seriously straightened the f@&$ out!
Possible CZ 858 reclassification?
- Thread starter AlbertaGunslinger
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I will bet dollars to donuts the RCMP kept a hard copy of 858 owners from the LG registry as this review hasn't just come out of the blue.
I will also bet their success in recovering the 858 IF they are successful in their quest will be dismal at best and the VAST majority were sold to someone with a valid PAL driving a ________ (fill in the color) Ford truck, or maybe it was a Chevy or Dodge.
I will also bet their success in recovering the 858 IF they are successful in their quest will be dismal at best and the VAST majority were sold to someone with a valid PAL driving a ________ (fill in the color) Ford truck, or maybe it was a Chevy or Dodge.
Gorno
Regular
- Location
- Saskatchewan
That is fu#$ing ridiculous.... and let me guess, there is no legal recourse to have those costs reimbursed.
Claven2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Onterrible
Exactly. This is CBSA extortion intended to deplete the defendant of resources before they can mount a credible court action. The object is to have the defendant abandon the goods before the seizure has to face jurisprudence.
MET
CGN frequent flyer
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- Northumberland County, Ontario
It would be nice to hear the facts from importers/dealers, maybe there is some truth to this, I have noticed the lack of stock for months now from a few on here...
huntermb
Regular
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- Radical Gun Lobby, Manitoba Branch
It was informative but certainly not indicative of an imminent reclassification. Indeed the fact that the FRT has not been pulled and there has been no notation on it of any review or re-examination indicates that this is mostly another case of CGN paranoia run wild.
huntermb
Regular
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- Radical Gun Lobby, Manitoba Branch
My point is that it is fairly obvious that the dealers/importers don't have any more facts or details than what Mr. Wolverine has stated. I don't understand why folks think that the dealers and importers have a crystal ball with extra insight. The Feds don't tell anyone anything.
stvjeep
CGN Regular
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- The Man Cave Bunker
Hell yeah! What is happening here is totally rediculous! Thats our tax dollars hard at work against us once again! Id love to see this go to court and have the bureaucrats ordered to compensate Mr. Wolverine. Sounds to me like somebody is pouting about the removal of the registry.
mike shickele
Regular
I think that the RCMP have unfortunately outlived their ability to serve Canadians.
Mike
Mike
Such was my case with my #5 Enfield for 45 years. Now it routinely sees the light of day.
What have the RCMP ever done to serve Canada ?
Actually, it's about conflict of interest within the RCMP. Bureaucrats should not make law, especially when they are the one's enforcing that law. "Oh, let's make a law so we can go out and arrest people we think should not own X thing." Political agenda abuse unchecked is what this is. Not in a free democratic country.
superlative
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Calgary
I want to know what has happened in the past with similar cases? Have similar guns been through this stupidity only for the gun to remain status quo after a while? What's happened in the past?
Red Bison
Member
This exposes what our "public servants" really are. TYRANTS.
"What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible dominion over all other men whom they call subject to their power. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to subject all other men to their will and their service. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to abolish outright all the natural rights, all the natural liberty of all other men; to make all other men their slaves; to arbitrarily dictate to all other men what they may, and may not, do; what they may, and may not, have; what they may, and may not, be. It is, in short, the assumption of a right to banish the principle of human rights, the principle of justice itself, from off the earth, and set up their own personal will, pleasure, and interest in its place. All this, and nothing less, is involved in the very idea that there can be any such thing as human legislation that is obligatory upon those upon whom it is imposed. "
- Lysander Spooner's Natural Law, or the Science of Justice: A Treatise on Natural Law, Natural Justice, Natural Rights, Natural Liberty, and Natural Society;
Showing that All Legislation Whatsoeveris an Absurdity, a Usurpation, and a Crime. Part First.
"What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible dominion over all other men whom they call subject to their power. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to subject all other men to their will and their service. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to abolish outright all the natural rights, all the natural liberty of all other men; to make all other men their slaves; to arbitrarily dictate to all other men what they may, and may not, do; what they may, and may not, have; what they may, and may not, be. It is, in short, the assumption of a right to banish the principle of human rights, the principle of justice itself, from off the earth, and set up their own personal will, pleasure, and interest in its place. All this, and nothing less, is involved in the very idea that there can be any such thing as human legislation that is obligatory upon those upon whom it is imposed. "
- Lysander Spooner's Natural Law, or the Science of Justice: A Treatise on Natural Law, Natural Justice, Natural Rights, Natural Liberty, and Natural Society;
Showing that All Legislation Whatsoeveris an Absurdity, a Usurpation, and a Crime. Part First.
superlative
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Calgary
It's not in danger. The "problem" is with the CZ 858 and it (supposedly) having a converted full auto receiver. The CSAs have newly manufactured receivers that were always semi-auto, that's why there's no issue. The receivers are functionally identical but the RCMP are the Borg and therefore must assimilate the CZ 858 based on the technicality. Apparently though, according to the letter of the law, because the CZ 858 receivers were not actually ever used as full auto - then by right they are perfectly legal in Canada.
I think you have to take a step back. There is no "case" with the CZ at the moment. There is with the Swiss Arms and with the Kriss Vector - as in previous cases, the FRT# for those two have been pulled and they have been flagged as "under review". No such action has taken place with the CZ. Several vendors have reported that there is no change in the status of the FRT# for the CZ 858.
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