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CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Line vs HK P30L vs ?
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the gun feels like magic
2011s are even worse. With a regular 1911, it is generally possible to make one run with at least one of the good brands of magazine (e.g. Chip McCormick, Wilson, Tripp). With 2011s, you can't just buy magazines; they need to be tuned.
Your best chance of making a 1911 function properly is to stick to the single stack, 5" barrel, .45 ACP configuration.
bettieguitar
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Very nice! The CZ is popular because it is cheaper and there are more parts available. All other things aside the HK is the better quality gun. HK just builds better guns in my opinion. I may like the CZ's feel better. I may even shoot it better. That does not make it better. What people use and are comfortable with has nothing to due with craftsmanship. I suggested a 1911 instead of the HK or the CZ because it is a gun that is comfortable in the hands of most shooters, there are lots of parts to choice from, and availability is good. The HK45 is also an awesome gun with all the features of a 1911 and more.
Can't tell you, 90% of whether you hit anything at all has to do with how the gun fits in your hand. In my case CZ shadow and sig p226 e2 fit my small hands really well, all the other guns don't.
Every hand gun shooter here will tell you the same thing.
If you're in Vancouver go to DVC Ventures in Coquitlam with 500$, they have pretty much all the handguns imaginable so you can shoot them all and see which one you shoot the best. (Mind you that those guns have shot about 60000 rounds each so...)
I can help you out if you like with posture and general shooting skills with an overhand grip. I know people will flame on me for saying this, but generally the way you stand and position your shoulders in the way that feels the most natural for you is actually the way you're going to shoot the best.
Start with doing a dominant eye discovery exercise with holding both hands and forming a triangle and both eyes open line hands up with a target, then without moving your hands have only one ye open then the other, the eye that still shows your triangle on target is your dominant eye. Thats the eye you line up your gun sights with.
90% of whether you hit anything with the gun depends on whether you can shoot the bloody thing. I hate how the sig 226 fits in my hand, I can hit things just fine with it, same goes for the usp45, the grip is way to big to be comfortable in my hands, and I flinch like an abused child with it, but I have a consistent flinch with it, so if I hold high right I hit where I want to. If you get the fundamentals right it doesnt matter what you are shooting, you will shoot it well.
If he wants to shoot a CZ Shadow that has over 65,000 rounds through it I can lend him my first gun. It doesn't shoot much different than my CE one doesn't look as nice though.
Watching him shoot Friday night was quite interesting. Very good natural shooter, and he pays attention. He watched all night, listened and obviously learned. Stepped up to the kine and put all 10 rounds into the 3x5 card without any issues, including first shot in DA. I was impressed.
While no Tier one unit uses the Shadow as a fighting gun, I can come up with lots of reason beyond durability as to why, the biggest being weight. If I am climbing mountains and face shooting people I'd want a lighter gun to carry, the P30 or even better a G19.
Watching him shoot Friday night was quite interesting. Very good natural shooter, and he pays attention. He watched all night, listened and obviously learned. Stepped up to the kine and put all 10 rounds into the 3x5 card without any issues, including first shot in DA. I was impressed.
While no Tier one unit uses the Shadow as a fighting gun, I can come up with lots of reason beyond durability as to why, the biggest being weight. If I am climbing mountains and face shooting people I'd want a lighter gun to carry, the P30 or even better a G19.
I found a gun, brought it home today. I'm in love
Thank you everyone again for all your help and advice, much appreciated.
So you decided to get a Shadow on the 15th and you have your new gun at home 3 days later? If this was a purchase from a business you have to share your secret.
I have 2 guesses:
1. The BC CFO is your dad
2. You have incriminating photos of someone with a goat
THAT GOAT LURED ME. What was I supposed to do?
I thought the HK P30L was my dream gun; HK legendary quality, incrdible grips and cool looking to boot. I was never so disapointed in any gun as I was in the P30L. It functioned flawlessly - except for one problem: because of my high thumb hold, it would not lock the slide open aftrr last round; and this happened everytime; a high thumb hold meant touching the release and a lot of frustration. So I frustratingly sold the HK and bought a shadow - while it might not have HKs ledgendary reliabilty I found it much more accurate out of the box with an amazing trigger... And I dont have to alter my grip to get the gun to finction properly. For me, I wanted to love the HK, but it just didnt 'fit' me.
and then he shows up tonight and shoots my backup, (cuz he is waiting on the reg cert for his Shadow) and does quite well at IPSC practice. Kid is pissing me off (kidding). Another yout I have contend with if I get back into IPSC. damnit.
bettieguitar
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The last time out my HK failed to open on the last round a few times. I suspected that it was just dirty, but had a hard time believing this to be the reason. This makes much more sense and is something that I will pay attention to. Thanks for making me aware of something that I may have over looked.
I just read thru this long post this morning and thought I'd give my opinion as I have owned both these guns. (To be fair my CZ is a Shadow Line SP01 and I have put in both the upgraded hammer and recoil spring).
The HK does feel very natural to grip once you adjust it to your hand but the CZ feels better balanced overall, and IMO, easier to shoot accurately then the HK.
The CZ is very easy to work on and lots of easily accessible parts and mods. I tried hard to find anyone to work on the trigger of my HK, but no one wanted to touch it.
When we all go to the range with lots of different handguns, the HK is the one that everybody is least accurate with for some reason?
If the grip of the HK feels great to you though, then I am sure with practice of its particular style, it will be almost as accurate as any other gun in that price range, just was not something I felt confident with. The CZ shot fantastic the very first time I used it.
The HK does feel very natural to grip once you adjust it to your hand but the CZ feels better balanced overall, and IMO, easier to shoot accurately then the HK.
The CZ is very easy to work on and lots of easily accessible parts and mods. I tried hard to find anyone to work on the trigger of my HK, but no one wanted to touch it.
When we all go to the range with lots of different handguns, the HK is the one that everybody is least accurate with for some reason?
If the grip of the HK feels great to you though, then I am sure with practice of its particular style, it will be almost as accurate as any other gun in that price range, just was not something I felt confident with. The CZ shot fantastic the very first time I used it.
Both the CZ and HK P30 are nice guns.
In my opinion, the CZ is probably better value for the money- the HK isn't a really huge improvement over it for just range shooting, but the HK is definitely still a very nice gun.
For what it's worth, I sold my P30S after about 1000rds total (if I recall correctly). Personally I just like shooting my CZ more.
In my opinion, the CZ is probably better value for the money- the HK isn't a really huge improvement over it for just range shooting, but the HK is definitely still a very nice gun.
For what it's worth, I sold my P30S after about 1000rds total (if I recall correctly). Personally I just like shooting my CZ more.
Breitling, pistols are a funny thing, you will find most posters here have their favourites. The best pistol for you is the one that fits your anatomy the best. Every pistol has a little different grip angle, so when you hold it in your hand and point it at the target the muzzle will be pointing at the target, above the target or below the target. if the muzzle does not point at the target on the pistol you hold, the only way you can change that is to either angle your wrist up or down, or change the back straps in the grip of the pistol essentially conforming the gun to your grip.
To shoot accurately you want to find the pistol that points the closest to the target when you hold it naturally.
Almost all, if not all of the pistols sold in Canada are great quality and will work just fine. The great thing about buying a pistol is you cannot really go to wrong. if you don't like it sell it and try again, you won't be out much at all.
To shoot accurately you want to find the pistol that points the closest to the target when you hold it naturally.
Almost all, if not all of the pistols sold in Canada are great quality and will work just fine. The great thing about buying a pistol is you cannot really go to wrong. if you don't like it sell it and try again, you won't be out much at all.
I didn't realize this thread came back!
I picked up a Shadow Canadian Edition. I got it home fast because I went down the the CFO with a big smile on my face and asked politely and was graciously accommodated.
I love it, shoots great, feels awesome. I have not even broken it in, but so far everyone who shots it loves it as well.
I have Slavex to thank for that! Thank you Slavex! I will see you on Friday. Highly recommend Skills & Drills to everyone. Any quality in my shooting is an act of God first, and quality instruction by Rob second. He makes it sooo easy! Promise.
I picked up a Shadow Canadian Edition. I got it home fast because I went down the the CFO with a big smile on my face and asked politely and was graciously accommodated.
I love it, shoots great, feels awesome. I have not even broken it in, but so far everyone who shots it loves it as well.
I have Slavex to thank for that! Thank you Slavex! I will see you on Friday. Highly recommend Skills & Drills to everyone. Any quality in my shooting is an act of God first, and quality instruction by Rob second. He makes it sooo easy! Promise.
