Well Brybenn, those are factory and very difficult sizing as well. Do you have any idea what those rims are worth? Not new replacement ones, I'm talking the ones in the photo...........
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Well Brybenn, those are factory and very difficult sizing as well. Do you have any idea what those rims are worth? Not new replacement ones, I'm talking the ones in the photo...........
^^ I guess he thinks it'd look keweler with a set of today's 20" Chinese rims with spinners and with hideous ultra low profile tires. LMAO!
So back to the 23 project great news on some tooling showing up so quick! With this news I wonder if such a rifle might be built in time for varmint season let alone hunting season.
So back to the 23 project great news on some tooling showing up so quick! With this news I wonder if such a rifle might be built in time for varmint season let alone hunting season.
Well Salty it is going to depend on how quick I can get a 23 neck and throater made...........might know tomorrow............If I can get one fairly quick I can make a 23-284 real fast, or a 23-08, got hundreds of brass for both of those............Guess I'd need a neck reamer to make dies as well.........HHMMMMM, kinda forgot about that, will have to talk to Dave tomorrow about one or 2 of them.
just a note here, to point out that the "Genius" who thought those up, and wrote them that way actually ruled out the .243 bullet class rifles, as they are all about 0.236 caliber
Sask regs are the same.... Firearm or projectile of .23 caliber or less...
so, a rifle with a bore diameter of 0.229 would not be legal
bore would have to be 0.231, and that would put the groove around.... 0.237
like I said... genius!
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.6mm (.243's) are legal in Yukon for everything except Bison.
What you are quoting are regs "summaries" and sheep "summaries", which are not legal documents (the "real" legal Act and Regulations are clear that 6mm/.243 is legal). Whoever wrote in your "Sheep Hunting.." summary that you need to use "larger than 24 cal" is just plain WRONG, and being an idiot. A sixth grader reading the real regs could tell you this. The regs you quoted below "illegal to use less than .243..." is actually legally correct. Smaller than 6mm/.243, not legal; 6mm/.243 is legal.
Up here, for some idiotic reason, the people who do up the summaries each year always take liberties with the language of the regs and write them up just a little different every year, often leading to screwed up information, none of which is legal anyways.
I've seen it lots in Bison regs, where legally there is no energy requirements for black powder, but a few years, the morons doing the "summaries" just added this in, despite it not being in the legal regs, and not being accurate. A few people, like me, complained, and they removed this arbitrarily added in energy requirement for black powder for bison in the summaries.
They did the same thing with centerfires too, for a couple of years. The law is .30 cal, 180 grain bullet, 2800 ft/lbs at the muzzle. Some idiot doing the regs summaries that year suddenly decided to put in that "30-06 with 180 grain bullet is the minimum.", and suddenly some hunters using hot loaded 308's (totally legal) were getting hassled because the idiot doing the regs summaries just decided on his own to add the "30-06" thing to the summaries. Again, after some complaints, the "30-06" thing was pulled from the regs summaries as it was BS.
They'll probably screw it up again at a later date...
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the way the wording is in Saskatchewan, the .234 rounds, with a "Caliber" of .226 or so, would not be legal.
the yukon regs seem to contradict themselves by putting 6mm(.24cal) in there... but gives you guys the out to use the .243Win.
if they only worded it .24cal, then you'd have a catch22 of sorts.
the yukon regs seem to contradict themselves by putting 6mm(.24cal) in there... but gives you guys the out to use the .243Win.
if they only worded it .24cal, then you'd have a catch22 of sorts.
There seems to be some confusion here.......6mm and 243 ARE 24 cal. The term caliber refers to bullet or groove diameter not bore or land to land diameter. The 234 that I will be making will be 23 caliber as the bullet diameter and groove diameter says, it is not a 22 cal as the bore designates. Only the Brits use land to land diameters to desginate their cartridges and this is incorrect as to actual caliber........the 404 is actually a 42 cal etc..........
I disagree with you about whether only the Brits named cartridges via land to land diamter, witness:
6mm = .236"
6.5mm = .256"
7mm = .276"
7.62mm = .300"
7.65 = .301
7.7 = .303
7.92 = .312
8mm = .315
Some examples of this are:
6mm Remington, not 6.17mm Remington
6.5x55, not 6.71x55
7x57, not 7.21x57
7.62 NATO, not 7.82 NATO
8mm Remington Magnum, not 8.2mm Remington
It could be said that it is just rounding off of the numbers that lead to these names, however, it is too much of a coincidence that the "rounding off" matches the land diameter. Then you get all the various 30 cals that would actually round to 31 cal. While the land to land of the 250-3000 Savage and 270 Winchester are pretty much .250" and .270". Coincidence? Or the 218 Bee and 219 Zipper. Or maybe all this is just circular and there is no convention.
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Using that line of argument, how do we explain that the .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, .220 Swift, .221 Fireball, .222 Remington, .223 Remington, .224 Weatherby, .225 Winchester, .22 Hornet, .22-250, etc etc etc all take .224 calibre bullets???????????????? It's all about what cartridge designers call their cartridges. So the .23 Penguin or Albatross or Seagull or whatever will shoot a .234 calibre bullet.
Is that a hi-jack if I come back to the actual subject?
Doug
Using that line of argument, how do we explain that the .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, .220 Swift, .221 Fireball, .222 Remington, .223 Remington, .224 Weatherby, .225 Winchester, .22 Hornet, .22-250, etc etc etc all take .224 calibre bullets???????????????? It's all about what cartridge designers call their cartridges. So the .23 Penguin or Albatross or Seagull or whatever will shoot a .234 calibre bullet.
Is that a hi-jack if I come back to the actual subject?
Doug
it means that there is no convention and designers can call their cartridges whatever they like.
another coincidence, 5.56mm is actually .219, so it certainly seems that it is named via land diameter, not grove diameter.
I know what they're worth yes. I know there's a very limited aftermarket for such low production cars as well. Just compared to new models of today the rims look dated for a car that's timeless. The speed rating for the rims dictates the structural aspect so they serve their purpose well I just like a more open rim that shows the massive brakes
I'd give my left nut to own a Ferrari
A 458 speciale would be my first pick
But back to the 23s would the 223 wssm loose to much case capacity if necked up to 234?
80's vintage Ferraris are not as expensive as most think. I think anyone with a solid middle class income could afford one, if they really wanted to. My buddy is a car nut and sometimes I look at his car trader mags and sites. I've seen them for $50-60K.
Of course the maintenance might be a killer
Mig25...........all your examples are metric conversions and are really irrelevant to the discussion of what constitutes caliber........regardless of the naming of any cartridge it's caliber is designated by it's bullet diameter.
80's vintage Ferraris are not as expensive as most think. I think anyone with a solid middle class income could afford one, if they really wanted to. My buddy is a car nut and sometimes I look at his car trader mags and sites. I've seen them for $50-60K.
Of course the maintenance might be a killer
Ya hold that thought............maybe a 308 or 328 but certainly not a Testarossa..........unless it is totally trashed. Start thinking beyond 6 figures Gatehouse, for ones in the condition and mileage mine is. I do the maintenance myself........no one touches my cars but me.
Back on topic...I received a care package from Marshal at Matrix today in the mail. Some very sleek looking .234 bullets.....RBTs, ULDs and flatbase...........I am impressed, they look magnificent and yet not dinky like 224 bullets, visually one would immediately think 243 bullets. I will be making the trek back to Dawson Ck here shortly to turn out some 234 barrels........This project just took a quantum leap forward with a 16 month jump on the bullet dies.......caught me quite sleeping so to speak, however shots of 234 bullets will be hole punching before summer and hopefully some critter will succumb to a 23 cal Matrix bullet this hunting season.
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I don't know much about cars , but I do know the prices on classic cars have dropped substantially since 2008. I know I've seen them listed in VG and EXC condition for. $50-60-70 k. I remember it because I was sorta shocked to see a Testerossa for those prices, and I laughed because I briefly considered buying one.
I guess Google searching would give some more answers if brybenn really wants one
I guess Google searching would give some more answers if brybenn really wants one
since when?
must have been before the 30WCF or the 30US. which if you ask anyone will tell you they are 30 caliber...
caliber has ALWAYS refered to the hole drilled into the bar..... When did the gunsmith/barrelmaking industry change the nomenclature?
OK, everybody's right, read all about it here:
http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/g/definition-of-caliber.htm
and then, how about those .23 CALIBRE new CHAMBERINGS, eh!!!!!!
Doug
http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/g/definition-of-caliber.htm
and then, how about those .23 CALIBRE new CHAMBERINGS, eh!!!!!!
Doug
