25-06 A dead Calibur ?

sure

25-06 110gr Accubond @ 3235 fps
200y zero
300y -5.5" low
400y -16.2" low, 2396 fps/1402 ft lbs energy
500y -32.9" low
15.5 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle


6.5 Creedmoor 130gr Accubond @ 2958 fps
200y zero
300y -6.5" low
400y -18.9" low, 2271 fps/1489 ft lbs energy
500y -38.1" low
14.0 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle

6.5-284 130gr Accubond @ 3105 fps
200y zero
300y -5.8" low
400y -16.9" low, 2396 fps/1658 ft lbs energy
500y -34.1" low
18.0 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle


The 130gr Accubond isn't even a terribly aerodynamic bullet in 6.5mm, so the difference is even larger with a ABLR, VLD, Classic Hunter, ELD-X.....no such bullets really exist in the 25 cal bore


25-06 115gr Berger VLD @ 3245 fps
200y zero
400y -15" low
700y -81" low, 2055 fps/1078 ft lbs energy, wind drift in 10mph crosswind = 29"
1000y -222" low

6.5/284 130gr Berger VLD @ 3175 fps
200y zero
400y -15" low
700y -80" low, 2148 fps/1332 ft lbs energy, wind drift in 10mph crosswind = 25"
1000y -213" low

Looks like as close to dead even as it gets to these eyes, and I don't have a dog in the fight.
 
I shoot a .25-284, essentially a short action .25-06. A 100GR ttsx @ 3300fps is nothing to complain about. Four mule deer and a mountain goat tell me it's a very effective, flat shooting cartridge.
 
Individual use of one rifle in a collection is completely choice. For many years now the default has been a T3 30-06 that was my fathers last rifle. We pick what we carry for many reasons, what we are after, at what range, are we on stand/quad/walking.

My Ruger M77 varmit/target in 25-06 is a heavy beast. It has next to no recoil, yet shoots 120's like a laser. I can literally write my name on the target. I would not hesitate to take on a Moose at close to medium range. It also has a significant advantage over the 243 for terminal performance with the disadvantage being the weight for a youth or woman. A excellent quad or beanfield rifle for the south province where deer, black bear and spike Moose are the likely game.

Who was it that said only accurate rifles are interesting. My 25-06 is interesting.
 
Average 25-06 guy shoots a 115gr Partition @ 2900 fps.......... f:P:

You're right the Partition has an atrocious history on game, especially when propelled at strong velocities. :cool: And how well does the 6.5 shoot a 75gr HP?

Both are equally "good", they just have different edges of the niche, which is a very small niche naturally. Anything a 140gr will kill, so will the Partition you mention. And the .25s shoot just as flat as the 6.5s, even the hot ones like 6.5-284, and will counter your .264 Win Mag with .257 Weatherby. What do we expect when they're the same bullet, with a sheet of paper's thickness difference between them? It's amusing how caught up we get in the tiniest differences... but where would this forum be without $%&^ hair dimensional differences! I suspect we'd all have .270s in Savage Axis', and meet or exceed anything we're arguing about here.
 
sure

25-06 110gr Accubond @ 3235 fps
200y zero
300y -5.5" low
400y -16.2" low, 2396 fps/1402 ft lbs energy
500y -32.9" low
15.5 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle


6.5 Creedmoor 130gr Accubond @ 2958 fps
200y zero
300y -6.5" low
400y -18.9" low, 2271 fps/1489 ft lbs energy
500y -38.1" low
14.0 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle

6.5-284 130gr Accubond @ 3105 fps
200y zero
300y -5.8" low
400y -16.9" low, 2396 fps/1658 ft lbs energy
500y -34.1" low
18.0 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle


The 130gr Accubond isn't even a terribly aerodynamic bullet in 6.5mm, so the difference is even larger with a ABLR, VLD, Classic Hunter, ELD-X.....no such bullets really exist in the 25 cal bore


25-06 115gr Berger VLD @ 3245 fps
200y zero
400y -15" low
700y -81" low, 2055 fps/1078 ft lbs energy, wind drift in 10mph crosswind = 29"
1000y -222" low

6.5/284 130gr Berger VLD @ 3175 fps
200y zero
400y -15" low
700y -80" low, 2148 fps/1332 ft lbs energy, wind drift in 10mph crosswind = 25"
1000y -213" low

Ha ha, thank you for proving my point!
 
I have carried a 25-06 every deer season since 1985. Sako Hunter AV. As of late I've been pushing 100 grain Barnes TSX to about 3200fps. Theses shoot bug hole groups off the bench and are deadly on the biggest whitetails. Love the "quarter bore". Is it a dead calibre...not to me!
 
sure

25-06 110gr Accubond @ 3235 fps
200y zero
300y -5.5" low
400y -16.2" low, 2396 fps/1402 ft lbs energy
500y -32.9" low
15.5 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle


6.5 Creedmoor 130gr Accubond @ 2958 fps
200y zero
300y -6.5" low
400y -18.9" low, 2271 fps/1489 ft lbs energy
500y -38.1" low
14.0 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle

6.5-284 130gr Accubond @ 3105 fps
200y zero
300y -5.8" low
400y -16.9" low, 2396 fps/1658 ft lbs energy
500y -34.1" low
18.0 ft lbs recoil energy in 7.5lb rifle


The 130gr Accubond isn't even a terribly aerodynamic bullet in 6.5mm, so the difference is even larger with a ABLR, VLD, Classic Hunter, ELD-X.....no such bullets really exist in the 25 cal bore


25-06 115gr Berger VLD @ 3245 fps
200y zero
400y -15" low
700y -81" low, 2055 fps/1078 ft lbs energy, wind drift in 10mph crosswind = 29"
1000y -222" low

6.5/284 130gr Berger VLD @ 3175 fps
200y zero
400y -15" low
700y -80" low, 2148 fps/1332 ft lbs energy, wind drift in 10mph crosswind = 25"
1000y -213" low

110 get vs 130 gr. hmmm.......

I guess you can choose whatever bullet weights you like to "prove" your point about the 25-06's prowess. ;)

Hint: Believe it or not, it'll work for most calibers out there.
 
So we have some .308 based cartridges, and 30'06 based cartridges in the same caliber ie:
7mm-08 & 280 Rem
.308 & 30'06
And a few other crossovers in the .338/35 range but not nearly as popular.
On the other hand....
We have 260 Rem but no real factory 6.5-06 offering which would be a sweet cartridge I think.
Opposite with the 25-06....there is no 25-08 which would also be a sweet cartridge.
I don't think a 6mm-06 would be great as the .243 can burn barrels out already....

But a factory 6.5-06 or 25-08 I would probably add to the arsenal.

there is a 6mm Remington or 6x57 out there.
 
It seems to have a fairly good following regardless of how " pale " it is.
I'm keeping mine simply because it works for me even though I have bigger and faster..

Not sure what you're getting at with this reply but if you re-read my post (and the one before it...) you'll see that my post was pro 25-06. ;)
 
Just thot of something I heard, & I apologize if I'm wrong.........You can get a Savage Axis rifle, and apparently the barrels change out for different calibers quite easily if you have the tool to do it with????? I'm sure there is someone out there ( not the gunsmith we're talking about ) with better info than this??


undo the barrel nut , unscrew the barrel from the action .
( it might be tight the first few times )
screw in the new barrel , insert what ever you are using to set the headspace , and close the bolt .
turn the barrel down until it is snug .
tighten barrel nut .
open bolt and put a 2 thou piece of shim stock behind whatever your using to set the headspace , try to close bolt .
if you can't fully close the bolt you are good to go .
it you can close the bolt , you didn't get the barrel snug enough .

this is how I do it .....
this is also assuming your using cartridges with similar case head diameters ( ie 30-06 family , magnum family , 223 family ect.... )
if your going to switch family's you will also need to swap out bolt heads .

depending on what rounds your switching back and forth from , you may also need a different magazine and trigger guard for the axis , as well as being aware that the guide for the bolt head needs to be turned one way for short rounds ( 308 length ) , and the other way for long rounds (30-06 length ) .

once you do it a few times it is easy .

btw all small shank savage barrels work with the axis
 
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