.308, 00 buck, or slug for grizzly?!
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CatfishSteve
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hey! your right (you must be related to my wife)
actually its 1210fps the remington stuff is 1225 still at point blank range i prefer 00 buck.
I'm not a mathmatician either but I am a metrologist and you do add the energy of each pellet together but it is spread over a larger area so less penetration but more localised damage.
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If you want to follow a wounded Grizzly into heavy cover be my guest.
personally I'd never shoot till he was on top of me as bears are known to charge and stop short. I was commenting on Boomers post.
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I wonder when Canada Gun Nuts will have an entire forum dedicated to Bear defense?
or "defense of bear defense" haha it would be a cage match battle royal, I'm thinking some forum rules would have to be exempt and we'd need a few bookies and a ring announcer.
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There are no absolutes when dealing with bears. Unless you know for sure what has triggered the bear's approach, that kind of thinking is terminal, particularly if you are not used to being around these guys. I don't want to see bears needlessly killed, but you need to study them for a while before you get too cavalier about what constitutes a threat. Grizzlies have a much larger personal space than polar bears. In other words they will respond aggressively towards you even though you are farther away, so what I can get away with a polar bear might not work for you with a grizzly. A bear that is apparently ignoring you but at the same time deliberately closes the distance between you, is not a good sign. A bear that has focused on you and cannot be distracted by anything that happens around him is bad news. A bear that when surprised by your presence turns tail and runs off is what we like to see. This is a healthy reaction because it means he hasn't figured out what’s going on and he wants to put some distance between himself and you until he has time to figure things out. I've often used this to my advantage by running at a bear to him puts him in a fight or flight state of mind. But if the bear hears you coming from some distance away, in my experience he's less likely to bolt, and may bluff charge you to drive you off, or he might make contact, intentionally or by accident, it doesn't really matter which. Conversely if you can get the bear moving away from you, if you keep the pressure on him with cracker shells and/or rubber bullets, he'll be inclined to keep moving. With respect to not following up a bear you've wounded, aside from being irresponsible, it may very well create a greater danger for yourself if you are unable to leave the area.
And for the poor bastard who has to go in and clean up your mess because it's his job.
Close in, slugs beat buckshot and pretty much anything in the 308 calibre. Which isn't to say 308's or buckshot can't work.
The slug you want for that close in work tends to be the heavier, harder slower slugs rather than light, fast and easily broken up.
one big gaping hole is going to do more to 'air out a bear' than a bunch of little holes.
The only 'buckshot' id consider playing with is that tri-ball stuff - 3 x 60 cal balls.. nasty business : ). But i haven't tried it yet.
A bear's cardio system is very resistant. That's far more true of a griz. (blacks' ain't so tough).
For big bears, you need to be able to break bone and keep going, and leave a big honking bleeding wound behind. Slugs do that better than buck, and leave a bigger hole than a 308.
Gad - we've been talking about this for 10 years now I can't believe these threads still pop up.
The slug you want for that close in work tends to be the heavier, harder slower slugs rather than light, fast and easily broken up.
one big gaping hole is going to do more to 'air out a bear' than a bunch of little holes.
The only 'buckshot' id consider playing with is that tri-ball stuff - 3 x 60 cal balls.. nasty business : ). But i haven't tried it yet.
A bear's cardio system is very resistant. That's far more true of a griz. (blacks' ain't so tough).
For big bears, you need to be able to break bone and keep going, and leave a big honking bleeding wound behind. Slugs do that better than buck, and leave a bigger hole than a 308.
Gad - we've been talking about this for 10 years now
I can't believe these threads still pop up.
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well for the love of jesus I hope they have seen the 270 vs 30 06 threads, cause another one of those will surely tear gunnutz apart at the seems...
In the years before we would have suggested he acquire an sks and spend the rest of the thread arguing over the benefits of using fmj over soft point bullets on grizzly because of the deeper penetration.However as time passes and we mature it becomes more relevant to consider, can you get a bayonet for a cz858,just imagine the cool factor alone would keep the bears in awe.
If the bear is charging waiting till it is that close is silly.You need to make a decision sooner.I am still tech challenged but you need to see the pics of BB.Back in the thread some one said a chest shot was a poor choice but if thats';s all yogi is giving you as he is running you down take the shot. We talk about the attack always in camp or were ever, my stand is i will start shooting if i feel mister bear looks like it wants to hurt me or my friend but i will save one round for a point blank shot if it is still not down.The bear BB shot was dead it just did not know it ,dont forget there heart beats slower pissed off then our does sleeping (i sure some will come up with a heart beat spec ) I will give mister bear the chance to run AWAY but if he is coming my way and is less than 50 ydrs i will not wait to see if he is bluffing .Thats like saying to the bear as he is running stop or i will shot
well for the love of jesus I hope they have seen the 270 vs 30 06 threads, cause another one of those will surely tear gunnutz apart at the seems...
Hahaha no kidding...Or 9mm vs 45acp vs 40 cal vs 11mm...etc.
I often wonder if Bear experts like Gary Sheldon and others have peeked at these threads over the years, had a chuckle and quietly slipped out.
Seriously methinks someone needs to contact him and ask him to write a sticky post so we can all point to it and save the bandwidth, lol.
So I take you wouldn't let a male griz false charge you six times, a guy from Montana over at archerytalk had one do that too him. Also found himself stuck between a mother and her cubs on two different occasions, never had to fire a shot in either case. Calm and cool or just plain lucky?
