Because simply putting the crosshairs on the vitals and squeezing the trigger is complicated?
Only as complicated as one wants to pretend to make it? Most prefer not to guess.
R.
Because simply putting the crosshairs on the vitals and squeezing the trigger is complicated?
lmao, well hoytcannon wasn't wrong in his reply to the other guy(skinny cats dad?) back on page 10 about being a moron if you zero a great fast setup like a .270 at 100, just a little enthusiastic...so he inadvertently calls you out with a 3rd person hypothetical reference and you decide to go full short bus on everyone else who rides the long bus...ok man, troll level...expert, or compensating, maybe I am reading you wrong and starvin has it right that you'd be a riot in person
How's that different from a guess at a distance and spinning the dial to said guessed range though?
Maybe you know your bullets hitting at the intersection of the crosshairs at a given range but that doesn't mean you guessed that range properly. Does it make for a more precise miss?
Yeah thats why I don't follow.
Dialing and MPBR are both contingent on having a good idea of the range one is dealing with. Without that, they both fail.
So I didn't catch where we went into the weeds on guesstimated holdovers at guesstimated ranges, but at this point it kinda feels like both sides are trying harder to score some kind of points than to make sense lol
The nice thing about the west is that a lot of it is chunked up into handy geometric shapes of consistent size. If there is a fence that runs through the middle of the geometric shape and the animal is on the same side as you, it is within 440 yards. So it doesn't take much to be within the MPBR of a flat-shooting cartridge, in that situation.
Nothing wrong with either system so long as you're using a range finger. Get a range reading and either put the crosshairs in the middle of the vitals and squeeze, or twist your turret to whatever the come up is for the range. One offers more precision, the other offers more speed. But both will reliably place a bullet in the vitals so long as the shooter does the trick.
Arguing that one is better than the other is a little like sorting the #### out of pepper.
Yeah thats why I don't follow.
Dialing and MPBR are both contingent on having a good idea of the range one is dealing with. Without that, they both fail.
So I didn't catch where we went into the weeds on guesstimated holdovers at guesstimated ranges, but at this point it kinda feels like both sides are trying harder to score some kind of points than to make sense lol
I don't think anyone but you is suggesting that the MPBR shot would be offhand at an unknown distance to 300-400. I mean yeah everyone should agree thats not wise. But no one suggested such a thing. Did they?
And again, level playing field, unknown distance MPBR shot should be compared to unknown distance dial shot.
If you know the range you know the range. Both methods are great. If you don't know the range...kind of a tie there too, no?
Using MPBR there wouldn't be any hold over at 300-400 yards. You'd have your crosshair on the middle of the animal, and its flight path would keep it in the vitals at high and low points. Not really seeing how one is more or less guessing than the other. Sounds like a wash to me.
*shrug*
Rman said:The 5 seconds... would suggest an offhand shot?
Rman said:If one knows the range... there should be little question that the dial is more accurate than a holdover. How can it not be?
Rman said:Keeping it in the vitals, between a high and low, is certainly different that keeping it in the vitals directly in the middle? The error reduction should again be obvious, especially at 300-400 yards?
Rman said:With a known distance and a dial, there is no guessing. Can't say that with a fixed zero?
A 400 yard shot, using a guessstimated holdover, with a guess at a distance, and because it's fast, it's offhand as well...
Sounds like a recipe alright.
R.
Hey Joel, if that cheers emoji is in reference to our fictional beer and wings night don’t bother. Rman has left the building after being talked to by hand.
5 seconds is plenty of time to get off a supported shot, unless your slung rifle is hung up on your pack full of survival gear and face paint.
Apparently you don't actually understand the concept. But you do you. - dan
Hey Joel, if that cheers emoji is in reference to our fictional beer and wings night don’t bother. Rman has left the building after being talked to by hand.
5 seconds is plenty of time to get off a supported shot, unless your slung rifle is hung up on your pack full of survival gear and face paint.