.358's are column "A"... I have recovered quite a few from clients bears, usually on quartering hits and under the offside hide... they were always nice mushrooms and largely intact, although I never actually weighed any... they did the job well and recoveries were short... more .35 caliber shots were pass-throughs and bullets not recovered. I was always happy to see a guest pull out a .35 of any flavour, and had many in .35 Rem, .356/.358 Win, .35 Whelen and a couple .350 RM... even recall a couple .358 Norma's... most were shooting SP's of some kind or other... many with Hornady bullets.
9.3 bullet test started. pics posted in #1
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.358's are column "A"... I have recovered quite a few from clients bears, usually on quartering hits and under the offside hide... they were always nice mushrooms and largely intact, although I never actually weighed any... they did the job well and recoveries were short... more .35 caliber shots were pass-throughs and bullets not recovered. I was always happy to see a guest pull out a .35 of any flavour, and had many in .35 Rem, .356/.358 Win, .35 Whelen and a couple .350 RM... even recall a couple .358 Norma's... most were shooting SP's of some kind or other... many with Hornady bullets.
Phil,
I can send you some 232 gr Oryx if it is not too late - I have factory loaded in 9.3x62 by Norma too to save you the loading...
A~
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never too late for sure that thread will die only with the shortage of bullets, water or milk jugs lol. i used factory ammo and i can reload so whatever you prefer ...
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Not at all. They were 'given' for you to do with as you see fit.
bigborefan
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Bob, that must be misinformation that someone gave you.
Why would S&B, a European manufacturer, make 9.3X62 brass with a base that measures 0.467" just above the cannelure? My reformed 30-06 brass measures larger than that before fireforming. Something is amiss somewhere.
I appreciate your mention of all the work this has been. You know first hand, being the experimenter and researcher you are. Phil had done most of the legwork. I just helped with the loading and setup.
Like yourself, it took a few minutes to figure out why the loaded ammo would not chamber. The burrs did it!
Ted
It was the manager at Epps who told me. Hornady has to declare at the Canadian border who made what to Canadian Customs. Hornady, in their declaration, claimed S&B as the manufacturer. Hornady is the importer, but not the manufacturer. As to measuring the head in front of the extractor groove, I never have. But I have carefully filled unfired Hornady cases with water and it is as claimed -- exactly 77 grs. Most European brass, with the possible exception of Prvi, will not hold that much according to personal responses from several who have responded to my blog.
Bob
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It may be that Hornady is now making their own 9.3 X 62 . I'll check it out again but my original box of brass also has the American flag on the bottom and under it "Made in the USA". That doesn't mean much though. For the public it's "Made in the USA", while in reality it's made by S&B at the Canadian border. That's not an uncommon thing. American cars are made where? Canada, Mexico, South Korea? Where do all the parts come from? Anyones guess is as good as another. <smile>
Bob
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just off the top of my head , the privi brass I have ,unfired , would be about 8% less capacity than the hornady .
the final fire formed capacity of the privy was almost the exact same capacity as fire formed 1x fired winchester30-06 brass .
I might have to get my hands on some hornady brass .....
Bob,
SB is an european company under CIP rules for ammunition and brass. why on earth sb will make a 9.3x62 brass with a 30-06 design or shape and not delivering a proper one?
i will try to find around some sb brass unfired from europe and will report.
we imported directly from usa (now 5 years ago) our hornady stuff and never seen a slip with czech republic as maker for our 9.3x62 and trust me i make sure we had a lot of 9.3x62 stuffs ....
SB is an european company under CIP rules for ammunition and brass. why on earth sb will make a 9.3x62 brass with a 30-06 design or shape and not delivering a proper one?
i will try to find around some sb brass unfired from europe and will report.
we imported directly from usa (now 5 years ago) our hornady stuff and never seen a slip with czech republic as maker for our 9.3x62 and trust me i make sure we had a lot of 9.3x62 stuffs ....
Commercially loaded S&B measures 0.4721" @ 0.200' above case head while PPU (Prvi Partizan Užice) measure 0.4725" @ 0.200" above the case head. Vintage Považské Strojarne (*PS* headstamp) - which bullets are the same as for the S&B - so likely the same ammo but older, measures 0.4722" @ 0.200" above the base.
Fired cases from most of my 9.3 chambered rifles tends to be +/- 0.474" @ 0.200" above base.
CIP provides 0.4724" head as the minimum chamber dimension, but I never got a rifle with such a tight chamber, some older ones tending to be more generous.
Fired cases from most of my 9.3 chambered rifles tends to be +/- 0.474" @ 0.200" above base.
CIP provides 0.4724" head as the minimum chamber dimension, but I never got a rifle with such a tight chamber, some older ones tending to be more generous.
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The 270 matrix test showed the same result as the one Why Not recovered from the grizzly.almost the copy.
I have been using the same bullets on bears, but have not recovered one.
I like the result, which gives me more confidence in it.
The 270 grain matrix for .375 did not do well in BcSteve's test, though.
I have been using the same bullets on bears, but have not recovered one.
I like the result, which gives me more confidence in it.
The 270 grain matrix for .375 did not do well in BcSteve's test, though.
why no? gave me last night another 270 grains matrix and i hope to get a result.
there is another yukoner that used a 290 grains matrix and it worked good on a moose ...
bigborefan
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I have no idea what the problem is with your Hornady brass... I bought 2 boxes of 50 each (which I'm still using after 5 years) and NEVER has there been the kind of problems you seem to be having, except for the slight flair at the mouth of a FEW of them where the brass was cut off. As stated previously -- I simply trim inside and out. The brass fits my chamber perfectly. And I know, as a matter of actual fact, that those cases (all 100) hold 77grs water unfired. The .350 Rem Mag cases hold 74 and .35 Whelen cases 72 (on average) and .30-06 cases before fire formed hold 69 on average. I routinely load 70 grains RL-17 under both the 286 NP and the 250 AB. Compressed? Yes, but not unduly so, about 108% load density which is no big deal for a relatively slow burner for the 9.3 X 62. From where I view matters, it's almost like you are on a different planet! It was clearly communicated to me 5 years ago, when I purchased rifle, brass and bullets (Hornady) that the Brass was manufactured by S&B by the manager of EPPS.
There has been a recent thread at 24 hr Campfire on the 286 Hornady bullet, and John Barsness has used it and seen it used. His comments confirm my own limited use of it in finishing off a wounded black bear by a young hunter. John stated that in his view when that Hornady bullet was used like any other Hornady Interloc bullet within factory specs for 286gr bullets from a 9.3 X 62 (2360 fps) it would work just fine. The bear I killed with a 286 Hornady at an MV of 2400 fps entered behind the short ribs at close to muzzle velocity and took out three inches of spine before it made exit into the field beyond. The bullet never broke up or left fragments anywhere in the wound channel. The bear was finished.
While the 286 Hornady would not be my first choice for an expensive paid hunt, or on moose, yet I'd have no trouble using it on a big whitetail deer. I've had experience with the 180gr Interloc from a .300 Win Mag on a big 9-point at 35 yards and it flattened the buck on the spot. It never flinched in taking that bullet at about 3000 fps. Also, in a moose hunt in N. Ont. My son finished off a bull using the 250gr from his .338 Win Mag at near muzzle velocity and penetration was n't lacking. Nonetheless, I prefer the 286 NP or 250 AB for most things. Though the 320gr Woodleigh is looking promising at about 2460.
Not trying to flame anyone. I appreciate all the work that has been done, but just trying to balance things up a bit.
Bob
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