ACR or XCR?

Until recently I owned both of the rifles, loved my XCR but had to sell it. Run around 300 rounds through it and it was flawless and had no issues , but with whole honesty ACR (NR with QST Barrel) is a slightly better rifle in my humble opinion.
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Better balanced even with NR barrel.
Definitely more accurate.
Lighter


But is it worth it additional $1500 in price compered to XCR ? Heck no way.


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polococta said:
Until recently I owned both of the rifles, loved my XCR but had to sell it. Run around 300 rounds through it and it was flawless and had no issues , but with whole honesty ACR (NR with QST Barrel) is a slightly better rifle in my humble opinion.
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Better balanced even with NR barrel.
Definitely more accurate.
Lighter

But is it worth it additional $1500 in price compered to XCR ? Heck no way.
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Not sure where you get $1,500 from? The non-restricted XCR is $2,475 retail; non-restricted ACR is $2,999 retail. That's like $525 difference, at best. Now if you're factoring in a folding stock, sure - that's extra; but the XCR doesn't come with a folding stock, either.

So for $525 you get a lighter, more balanced and accurate rifle.
 
One comment: I don't believe that ACR can be much more accurate than current production XCR with it excellent trigger and heavy barrel.

Three questions:
  1. What kind of accuracy where you getting with the XCR, with the ACR?
  2. Do Jewell AR15 match trigger fit/work in the ACR?
  3. Can AR15 barrels easily be fitted/used on an ACR?
Alex
 
blaxsun

You sure do talk a lot crap on here for someone who sells a product that the many XCR owners would probably buy from you. Im sure the ACR is a great rifle and I know the XCR is also a great rifle, not sure as a business owner what you have to gain by always putting down the XCR.
 
AlexF said:
One comment: I don't believe that ACR can be much more accurate than current production XCR with it excellent trigger and heavy barrel.

Three questions:
  1. What kind of accuracy where you getting with the XCR, with the ACR?
  2. Do Jewell AR15 match trigger fit/work in the ACR?
  3. Can AR15 barrels easily be fitted/used on an ACR?
Alex
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Speaking only for myself...
1. Never owned an XCR.
2. There's a Geiselle one for the ACR (better in my opinion).
3. The original Masada used standard AR15 barrels; the ACR does not.
 
blaxsun said:
Speaking only for myself...
1. Never owned an XCR.
2. There's a Geiselle one for the ACR (better in my opinion).
3. The original Masada used standard AR15 barrels; the ACR does not.
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Not ever owning a XCR makes it even more strange why you sh!t on every XCR thread in CGNs. Why do you take it so personal that you have to search out every thread that mentions XCR and slam it.:cool:
 
freddyfour said:
blaxsun

You sure do talk a lot crap on here for someone who sells a product that the many XCR owners would probably buy from you. Im sure the ACR is a great rifle and I know the XCR is also a great rifle, not sure as a business owner what you have to gain by always putting down the XCR.
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Not exactly where you get "crap" from, as this an ACR vs. XCR thread after all. Last I checked people were free to express their opinions...

Post #5: The ACR is a 'next-generation AR.
Post #12: Actually advocated an XCR might be the best choice (must've been drinking at the time).
Post #14: Suggested alternatives like the Tavor and FS2000.
Post #19: Indicated ACRs are unobtanium in Canada.
Post #21: Indicated 6.8SPC kits for the ACR are unobtanium.
Post #24: Indicated ACRs are even hard to find in the US.
Post #26: Suggested staying off the EE if one wants to save up.
Post #31: Guns have their "off" days, too.
Post #32: Wasn't me!
Post #36: Also wasn't me!!
Post #38: OK, I did poke fun at the XCR not being in Call of Duty... I didn't mention loctite though. Ah, d*mnit...
Post #40: ACR doesn't use a standard AR bolt.
Post #43: The ACR is underpriced relative to the ACR, and user feedback indicates the ACR is more reliable. Newer XCRs more reliable (compliment?)
Post #52: Swapping a barrel on an ACR is cheaper than replacing it with a complete upper on an XCR.
Post #56: Refuted assertion that NR ACR + barrel > NR XCR + XCR upper. Is 7.62x39mm that popular?
Post #61: Offered my opinion that ACR is worth a small premium.
Post #63: Ditto (lighter, more balanced and accurate).
 
I knew at some point it was going to heat up...but at least I'm learning stuff. Lots of useful info for my decision making
 
Blaxsun you are confusing me, I was under the impression that one of the criticisms of the ACR was that it was too heavy and would be better served by losing a pound or two.
Your remarks seem in direct contrast to those by ACR users in the states.
 
freddyfour said:
Not ever owning a XCR makes it even more strange why you sh!t on every XCR thread in CGNs. Why do you take it so personal that you have to search out every thread that mentions XCR and slam it.:cool:
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Actually, I only found this one while searching for "ACR". I thought I was pretty balanced about most of the ACR's shortcomings (see post #71). I want to again reiterate that I did suggest the XCR at one point to the OP... (still not sure what the heck I was thinking there...).

In fact, there's an "initial first impressions" on the ACR still floating around here somewhere where I was pretty blunt about the heavier weight (not as bad as most make out), safety selector placement, crappy magazines that ship with it, etc. There's another well-written range report that offers some direct comparisons between the XCR and ACR, and as #### has a lot more experience with both than I do - feel free to take his comments and observations at face value.

If RobArms wants to loan me an XCR, I'd be more than happy to do a comparison (maybe some abject humiliation for me if I can't get it to misbehave for, like having to sport a nice "Got Loctite?" sticker on all my guns next year... ;) ).
 
brandneo said:
I knew at some point it was going to heat up...but at least I'm learning stuff. Lots of useful info for my decision making
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Yeah, sure... ;) :stirthepot2:

nemesisincanada said:
Blaxsun you are confusing me, I was under the impression that one of the criticisms of the ACR was that it was too heavy and would be better served by losing a pound or two. Your remarks seem in direct contrast to those by ACR users in the states.
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Not at all. Compared to say a stock AR15 or SCAR, the ACR is heavier - no question. Strictly comparing the ACR to the XCR, I believe that what (others) have indicated is that the XCR is in fact a bit heavier. The ACR could definitely lose a pound in the barrel/assembly; a 12.5" barrel is apparently a really great balance.
 
AlexF said:
Posted incorrect answer to freddyfour remark.
AlexF said:
REVENGE! I think that he bought 2 early buggy XCRs and was extremely disappointed to say the least... I had a similar experience as a teenager with my mother's POS Ford Escort 1981 and still hate all Ford products even today
Alex
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Ah - found it! Actually, truth be told the closest I've come to purchasing an XCR is when I picked one up at a gun show. I've never owned a Ford Escort, either. ;)
 
Not sure where you get $1,500 from? The non-restricted XCR is $2,475 retail; non-restricted ACR is $2,999 retail. That's like $525 difference, at best. Now if you're factoring in a folding stock, sure - that's extra; but the XCR doesn't come with a folding stock, either.

So for $525 you get a lighter, more balanced and accurate rifle.
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Gravel ACR $2999+NR Barrel +Stock... it will put you right up there.
 
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