ACR questions

The weight doesn't bother me. My modern hunter is 10 lbs with optics which sounds like what the acr would be the same. I find the modern hunter balances well. I just wasn't a fan of how front heavy the old style xcr was even though the weight wasn't bad.
I think you tried out my modern hunter. You can try shooting it again and seeing how it performs.
 
cr5 said:
This is exactly why I refused to specifically name a certain NR rifle when comparing to a restricted rifle in another thread that in my opinion has less parts compatibility than the first rifle yet it can not be converted to non restricted even with a non restricted length barrel.
I'd hate to be the guy that does what the guy at TSE did to the Swiss Arms. I'll never forgive him and he'll never see another dime from me regardless of the rifles current status.
We need to be careful how we word things and what we say on this site. They're watching us all the time waiting for us to give them more ammo to take away our hobby.
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While I agree, the fact of the matter is that in most cases we are not pulling the wool over anyones eyes by not talking about it. The lab techs are still aware and doing thier thing, and if at first something escapes them, they will catch it later with or without someones help.

The matter of fact is that the lab can be strongly anti-civilian ownership, and that means that they can and well exercise every avenue to reduce firearms, and I can only imagine that "black rifles" are at the top of that list, specifically if they should fall into the non-restricted side.

Im not sure of the rifle you mean or thread you imply, but I am sure the lab is aware of that sitiation as well.

People say that if didn't speak so loudly about beowulf mags we wouldn't have to worry about being underfire for them either, but the fact of the matter is the laws had a better chance of niping it in the butt when it was small and contained. Now there are 10's of thousands of these legal mags in canada, and not one crime committed with them and its still cheaper and easier to buy some 5/30's and get out the jackknife if you have unlawfull intentions.

Ive paid my NR tax, my Beowulf tax, and continue to do so to be a lawfull individual and still have fun.
 
Dr. Hunter said:
The weight doesn't bother me. My modern hunter is 10 lbs with optics which sounds like what the acr would be the same. I find the modern hunter balances well. I just wasn't a fan of how front heavy the old style xcr was even though the weight wasn't bad.
I think you tried out my modern hunter. You can try shooting it again and seeing how it performs.
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to get an 8lb MH I was looking at $4500 plus tax as quoted, You can't really compare the two dollar wise
 
After installing the PRS2 stock on my ACR it moved the balance point back and fells more comfortable even tho the PRS2 stock is double the weight of the original stock

Either way I'm grabbing my Tavor in an emergency. :)
 
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I waited before I jumped on the MH train and I was glad, lots of issues, i put my money (5k) on a converted acr and a cc ar instead.

Im going to wait before I jump on the MV train.

reliability is more important than accuracy, since if the bullet doesnt leave the bore, you are shooting the worst accurate firearm ever.
 
Re. weight on ACR, just don't put on a heavy contour NR barrel. Also consider integral flash hider cut in to save weight.
 
mikethebike said:
I waited before I jumped on the MH train and I was glad, lots of issues, i put my money (5k) on a converted acr and a cc ar instead.

Im going to wait before I jump on the MV train.

reliability is more important than accuracy, since if the bullet doesnt leave the bore, you are shooting the worst accurate firearm ever.
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I don't see how it is fair to say "lots of issues". This is rather derogative in my opinion. It also seems rather unfair to be blamed for Magpul making changes to their mags and the new versions not fitting a gun that was designed and tested 3 years prior to Magpul making a change, but it seems everyone prefers to bash small local manufacturers.
With nearly 400 guns out in the public now we have seen only a few that had any problems that were not operator error or misunderstanding the concept that these are not and never were intended as spray n pray battle rifles, so are a little more picky about what they eat. Very few semi autos that are of an AR design will feed lead soft tip ammo well , if at all.
Common sense and simply reading the owners manual seem to be the biggest problems we have seen. A closer tolerance semi NEEDS to be run wet in the beginning of its life and can be tapered off on the amount of lube once broken in. Try running a new engine at full tilt for a while with little lube and see how well that works. AR style rifles have some moving parts, in rifles that have tighter tolerances lubrication is critical. Seems pretty simple to me to understand.

It is unfortunate that the CGN crowd has driven off so many of the experienced and knowledgeable shooters, who used to post but now either just read or have given up on this forum. Many of these guys are MH owners would post THEIR results, then you would be reading a different tone completely. Rather than the few who "may" have had an issue seeming to be the majority it would be more balanced. look up the various threads and it is the same few who are complaining. You won't find more than a few guys who actually own MH rifles posting here, yet as I mention there are now several hundred in circulation. IF there really were any problems the forums would be covered with threads like what NEA enjoys.
Something to consider anyway.
 
Listen guys I love your company, i think you do great things and you provide products for Canadians. Im not going off on a rant here. Im still open to a MH and a MV. But my days of dropping 4k on a rifle that im not sure about are over i.e. christensen arms fiasco.

Maybe lend a MH and a MV to tvpp and have him do a full functional review? im sure he'll throw all types of ammo, mags, conditions at them both.
 
mikethebike said:
Listen guys I love your company, i think you do great things and you provide products for Canadians. Im not going off on a rant here. Im still open to a MH and a MV. But my days of dropping 4k on a rifle that im not sure about are over i.e. christensen arms fiasco.

Maybe lend a MH and a MV to tvpp and have him do a full functional review? im sure he'll throw all types of ammo, mags, conditions at them both.
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I'm willing to bet Rick will let TV-PP have a run at an early MV the same way he got to have a run at the MH.

TV-PP openly said when he was doing his overview of the MH that he is not a group shooter, so he would not be doing a diffinitive review of accuracies achieved with various ammos.

cr5 has mentioned that he would like one in his collection to have time to work up a hand load and play with accuracy tests. Since my scope is down, and I don't do much shooting in winter, I am considering lending him my MH to work up some loads for and it may be possible for TV-PP, cr5, and myself to collaborate some sort of in depth review. I have not mentioned this to either of them, so this is just a spur of the moment thought and maybe it will get off the ground, maybe it won't.
 
onetwentyish said:
I'm willing to bet Rick will let TV-PP have a run at an early MV the same way he got to have a run at the MH.

TV-PP openly said when he was doing his overview of the MH that he is not a group shooter, so he would not be doing a diffinitive review of accuracies achieved with various ammos.

cr5 has mentioned that he would like one in his collection to have time to work up a hand load and play with accuracy tests. Since my scope is down, and I don't do much shooting in winter, I am considering lending him my MH to work up some loads for and it may be possible for TV-PP, cr5, and myself to collaborate some sort of in depth review. I have not mentioned this to either of them, so this is just a spur of the moment thought and maybe it will get off the ground, maybe it won't.
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that sounds like a great idea. id also love to see both rifles give it a go at trinimon's black rifle challenge.
 
mikethebike said:
Listen guys I love your company, i think you do great things and you provide products for Canadians. Im not going off on a rant here. Im still open to a MH and a MV. But my days of dropping 4k on a rifle that im not sure about are over i.e. christensen arms fiasco.

Maybe lend a MH and a MV to tvpp and have him do a full functional review? im sure he'll throw all types of ammo, mags, conditions at them both.
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Already been done. TVPP had a prototype to test, we have done quite a few improvements since then.
Check here for more.
http://albertatacticalrifle.com/why-us/testimonials Scroll down to a review by both TVPP and Ardent from CGN.
The review by TVPP was unfortunately done under far less than ideal conditions and on a short timeframe due to having to meet a deadline for Caliber Magazine. There will be yet another professional review coming out soon by Al Voth, but I am not certain which magazine it will be in..
Rob Furlong has 1 and we have only heard good things from him about it, although I doubt he will publish a review.
 
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Brian46 said:
Herron arms is already doing this conversion I believe
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GHW will be selling an off the shelf kit. havent heard anything from Herron Arms. And I did try asking them questions and they were never answered.

So GHW will get my money and if it's like all their other products I will not be disappointed.
 
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