Africa hunting video "amazing"

How is that hunting? Holy sh*t, it's park avenue hillbillies walking up to garage size targets and shooting them. I'd pay the price just to see one, let alone pop it in the brain. I hunt food items, I just can't relate to this,

Patrick
 
What you have to realize is that video was shot over the course of an entire hunting season and with a number of clients. Mark Sullivan runs into similar criticisms with his videos because those who don't know haven't seen all the time and effort that leads up to each individual shot. When several minutes of back to back shooting is viewed on video, it looks like a slaughter house, but such is not the case. I would say that the fellow who shot his hippo in deep water cheated himself from a wonderful experience. Hunting a hippo on hard ground is the adrenalin junky's wet dream.

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Why is it alright for you to shoot the animals you hunt for the reason you hunt them, but not alright to trophy hunt? Trophy hunting is much more difficult because you are hunting a specific animal, not just shooting the first thing that comes along. Typically trophy animals are old non-breading males who are near the end of their lives, and whose presence is no longer a benefit to a herd. Often in the African bush, the animal killed by the hunters bullet has won the lottery, compared to those who die from starvation and disease.
 
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You also need to realize that the villages benifit greatly from these kills first thier is good food to eat and economic impoact and these
Elephants for examples do great amounts of damage to farm land and such
 
Please don't sell this type of hunting as a benefit to the unwashed villagers and a service because these elephants had no kind of life to begin with. Lets call a spade a spade, this is wealthy thrill seekers standing down an almost certain death charge and living to tell the story about it back home over scotch and fine cigars. I am sorry but this type of hunting has more to do with the hunter than it does hunting down rogues or protecting farms. I am not against trophy hunting, but this looks like deliberately putting yourself in a life or death situation, killing your aggressor and then patting yourself on the back for your heroics. This video also makes you wonder how many non-deliberate self defense kills these guys have to make, after they drop the intended target. Sorry I don't get it, I would never look to put myself in harms way just to feel like a hero after my big shot. Cheers,

Patrick
 
I'm going to agree whole - heartedly with Patrick on this one.
I experienced ZERO enjoyment watching that 'KILLING' video.

Imagine, as a hunter myself critcizing another's 'hunt' - seems crazy to some I'm sure - however, I don't in any way shape or form see the 'hunting' aspect in those situations. Drive up to animal - put stalk on bedded or grazing animal. Which must be difficult to spot since they are the size of small houses. Piss animal off to the extent it wants to charge and shoot it HOPEFULLY in the head so it dies before it decapitates you. SOUNDS LIKE FUN!

As far as 'helping' the locals - you've got to be joking??? It maybe helps the three locals helping the white guide when he pays them a small fee to do all the work but you're saying without the 'help' of the dude's with the big guns they couldn't harvest their own animals to eat? Yummy tastey elephant for example? And to say that the old, ready to die of starvation animals are the ones that are sought after is absolute BS. The animals charging -specifically in the elephant herds are the dominant males - the STRONGEST MOST HEALTHY of the bunch. If they weren't, they wouldn't be the one's protecting the herd - that's how nature works - if they were old and decrepit, and tried to run the herd - the next in line male would kick it's butt.

To each their own and everything being shown is I'm sure within their legal right but it wouldn't upset me too badly if one of the rich morons missed and got squashed by a rino.
 
I do not think this is anything wonderful myself, as is well known on this sight.
I don't define it as hunting, though my definition may be different than yours. Putting yourself in situations to get charged by an animal so you can shoot it and have an adrenaline rush, hmmm, just sounds off to me.

MY OPPINION MY OPPINION MY OPPINION so relax

I saw a bull out on the farm the other day. I'm gonna get a buddy to fly up here, we'll go find it, see if we can entice it to chase us, and then shoot it, wipe a bit of it's blood on our foreheads, (careful not get any on our shirts) and while Tonto skins the animal and prepares it's head, we'll have a good single malt scotch and reflect on another adventerous hunt.

This is not hunting in my oppinion. Or at least, if it is, it is a poor example of hunting. Many of these hunts are more about ego than anything else.

Why shoot Lions? Girraffes, Hippos, etc?

I know the answer many will give.

This is where I part in my hunting beliefs with many. Becasue I CAN, doesn't mean I SHOULD.

Now calm down and go back to those amazing :rolleyes: hunting videos.

MY OPPINION MY OPPINION MY OPPINION
 
Being a pleb hunter, I probably wouldn't understand anyway. But seriously, if this is your shtick and you have the money for it, fine. But don't be so arrogant as to paint this as a service to the helpless villagers or that you are somehow carrying out the natural order of things. Call it what it is, and adrenalin rush for the well healed.


Patrick

Never liked scotch but I hear that drinking a bottle makes you a connoisseur, but killing a 24, well that makes you an alcoholic, make er a laker boys!
 
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phinton81 said:
Please don't sell this type of hunting as a benefit to the unwashed villagers and a service because these elephants had no kind of life to begin with. Lets call a spade a spade, this is wealthy thrill seekers standing down an almost certain death charge and living to tell the story about it back home over scotch and fine cigars. I am sorry but this type of hunting has more to do with the hunter than it does hunting down rogues or protecting farms. I am not against trophy hunting, but this looks like deliberately putting yourself in a life or death situation, killing your aggressor and then patting yourself on the back for your heroics. This video also makes you wonder how many non-deliberate self defense kills these guys have to make, after they drop the intended target. Sorry I don't get it, I would never look to put myself in harms way just to feel like a hero after my big shot. Cheers,

Patrick
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Be glad there are wealthy thrill seekers just as there are blue collar thrill seekers. If all the wealthy people in the world had the same outlook as George Soros, there would be little for the rest of us to do because anything worth doing would be illegal. Elephants have been Bambized more than any other. Polar bears come in second. As for not putting yourself in danger, your life is diminished as a result. You haven't lived if you have always lived without risk. When you are in peril and have survived, the grass is greener and the sky is bluer. That of course is a personal choice and one the African native doesn't have. He would be just as happy if all the elephants, big cats, buffalo, and hippo were dead. Unless he can be shown that there is value in the continued existence of these animals they are doomed, because the African is an efficient killer of game, and they exist at his peril.

If the hunting community cannot learn to support one another's activities; those of the George Soros, Peta, Green Peace, ilk will win, and you won't be hunting deer, varminting, or fishing, or even going to view wildlife because parks will be closed to human visitors. This is not to say that everyone should indulge in these activities, but we should not actively support the other side because we don't participate in one activity or another.
 
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Boomer said:
Be glad there are wealthy thrill seekers just as there are blue collar thrill seekers. If all the wealthy people in the world had the same outlook as George Soros, there would be little for the rest of us to do because anything worth doing would be illegal. Elephants have been Bambized more than any other. Polar bears come in second. As for not putting yourself in danger, your life is diminished as a result. You haven't lived if you have always lived without risk. When you are in peril and have survived, the grass is greener and the sky is bluer. That of course is a personal choice and one the African native doesn't have. He would be just as happy if all the elephants, big cats, buffalo, and hippo were dead. Unless he can be shown that there is value in the continued existence of these animals they are doomed, because the African is an efficient killer of game, and they existence is at his peril.

If the hunting community cannot learn to support one another's activities; those of the George Soros, Peta, Green Peace, ilk will win, and you won't be hunting deer, varminting, or fishing, or even going to view wildlife because parks will be closed to human visitors. This is not to say that everyone should indulge in these activities, but we should not actively support the other side because we don't participate in one activity or another.
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I agree that the hunting communities need to support each other, but do you ever stop to think that this type of hunting gives the anti hunting movement the momentum and ammunition it needs to sell its ill conceived message to the world. We all get painted with the same stick. I for one, do not want to be associated with hunters that kill things because they are dangerous and because that slight whiff of death makes them feel like they've conquered nature. I am sorry but this kind of hunting hurts the rest of us. Perception is reality and when the non hunting public sees these images we are all tarred with the same stick.

I love hunting, I think about it year round, I spend 3-4 weeks a year in the woods after you name it, but I refuse to think of the animals I hunt as entertainment objects that exist to keep my adrenalin pumping. Just because something is labelled hunting, doesn't mean I should support it, afterall the vast majority of us do not support game farm hunting or canned hunts, what the hell difference is it to hire a team of guides, trackers and the like to stand you in front of charging animals so that you can hopefully shoot them in the head before they get to you. Like I said, if its your shtick go for it, but don't defend it as anything other than what it is, killing for the sake of our innate desire to conquer things we fear.

Cheers,

Patrick
 
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Gatehouse said:
Patrick- Other than watching these videos, what do you know of African hunting?
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Never been there hunting but I have been to South Africa, Kenya and Morocco, Africa is a big place and I don't really think of it as a hunting destination just like I don't think of North America as a hunting destination. I was not commenting on African hunting, I was commenting on the videos posted in this thread.

Patrick
 
Gatehouse said:
Aren't the videos in the thread, hunting in Africa?
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So my moose hunt last fall was hunting in North America, does it typify the North American experience? Of course this was in Africa, but it no more represents all hunting in Africa than my previous example does of this continent.
 
While I would never like to kill elephants,I would however like to try one of those big Cape buffalo with a big 45-70 cast bullet.
Imagine the size of pan you would need for liver and onions.......:eek:
 
phinton81 said:
So my moose hunt last fall was hunting in North America, does it typify the North American experience? Of course this was in Africa, but it no more represents all hunting in Africa than my previous example does of this continent.
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So, the question remains- Other than these videos, how much do you know about African hunting?
 
Republic of Alberta said:
I have watched the BUZZ Charlton video and it is EXELENT


And to all the hipster dufface pussyfoot wa wa bo ho types, piss off this is a hunting board and hunting includes killing, so deal with it or f**koff.[/QUOTE}


people who think killing is hunting need to, hmm, #### off , ?

Killing is one part of hunting, on my list the killing is not my motivator.

Gotta go, have a big gopher hunt planned !
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I am a grizzled varmint with a fair amount of hunting experience ... as it has been a life long passion ..... and unlike phinton81 I have hunted lions and leopards and elephants and buffalo. Except for a water buffalo that died in full charge at 5 yards a few years back in South America .... if I could hunt anything again - it would be lions # 1 ... and elephants # 2 .... And unless you done it yourself - it would be like thinking of dating Miss Venezuela - the newest Miss Universe - you really have no idea what it is all about. It is/would be only an opinion. Respectfully .......
 
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