Fine, so let's honor the treaties exactly as written.Give them exactly what is written in the treaties, and if it isn't specifically mentioned in the treaty, then they don't get it. Give them the land, Let them supply their own education, their own health care, their own roads, their own fire department etc. If they want these essential services, then let them pay taxes on their land like everyone else does. Fair is fair.
Algonquin land claim details released
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Fine, so let's honor the treaties exactly as written.Give them exactly what is written in the treaties, and if it isn't specifically mentioned in the treaty, then they don't get it. Give them the land, Let them supply their own education, their own health care, their own roads, their own fire department etc. If they want these essential services, then let them pay taxes on their land like everyone else does. Fair is fair.
So if it was wrong then what makes it right now?
This bull
of what happened to ancestors is getting old. Time for everyone to get with the modern world.I didnt take anything from anyone. I wonder when my turn is to take back what is being stolen now?
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Heres what I see, I see that "whitey" has put up with and tolerated all the perks and bonuses the natives seem to get and opportunities they are granted on a daily basis and we have just sat by and complained about it to our friends, or in silence so as not to offend. Now things seem to be really heating up with the Idle no more thing, the crown land thing and the hunting issues all seeming to come about all at once and "whitey" may finally be saying "ENOUGH ALREADY" because now its like someone on the reservation is saying "lets just see how much more we can get for nothing in return".
Maybe some of you natives think I owe you something because its been bread into your upbringing, not unlike the racism you would see down in the deep south where the young are raised to hate non whites for no reason whatsoever. Maybe the thought process of "getting it for free" needs to be removed from the parenting code and instead, something like "work hard, study, and stay on the straight and narrow and you WILL be somebody, someone that can raise and support a family" These are the staples my parents used while raising me and my 2 sisters, and we all take care of our own.
And for what its worth, I have a few native friends, one of which lives on a reservation, has a very nice home, nice toys, nice garage filled with all kinds of cool guy stuff, and he works in tool sales and he works damn hard. When he sees dumb where he lives, even he cant believe some of it and I know he is embarrassed by it.
Maybe some of you natives think I owe you something because its been bread into your upbringing, not unlike the racism you would see down in the deep south where the young are raised to hate non whites for no reason whatsoever. Maybe the thought process of "getting it for free" needs to be removed from the parenting code and instead, something like "work hard, study, and stay on the straight and narrow and you WILL be somebody, someone that can raise and support a family" These are the staples my parents used while raising me and my 2 sisters, and we all take care of our own.
And for what its worth, I have a few native friends, one of which lives on a reservation, has a very nice home, nice toys, nice garage filled with all kinds of cool guy stuff, and he works in tool sales and he works damn hard. When he sees dumb
where he lives, even he cant believe some of it and I know he is embarrassed by it.I think most people will be able to hunt where they traditonally have. There is not enough Indians to hunt all over and as far as I'm concerned everybody should be able to hunt anywhere during a open season.
They have to honour the fish and game regulations as well, or so I thought.
They have to honour the fish and game regulations as well, or so I thought.
If it were only that simple. BC for eg. has no treaties in place for most of the province, ergo there are no treaties to uphold. The situation is in complete legal limbo. The various levels of government take turns deciding who is supposed to be responsible for what while the core issue is never addressed. Where are the treaties? When a judge has to make a ruling there is no law to rule on. There is an notable exception which is the Nisgha Treaty (Nass River drainage). Their treaty is settled. Their territory which they have the autonomy for eg to decide whether I or any other Non-Nishga person can fish. My favourite steelhead river is on their private property and I fish there freely with my BC Licence and subject to BC regs. which they recognise and uphold. Believe me, I have no patience for the current situation and feel the same frustrations you do. It is a huge mess.
Makes perfect sense, maybe I should go to Germany and "get back" the land that Hitler stole from my ancestors...
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That's not how I interpret it, unfortunately.
The land that is on the claim would be private Algonquin property. Also a lot of the property in the area that I hunt has waterfront and would be prime development property. There has been talk in the idle no more movement of leasing at least some of the lands to developers. I suspect that this claim is more about ecconomic potential as anything.
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Exactly what I tell people too, well said. That logic is so flawed. Goes to show you how some dont even think before they speak.
Why isn't this guy's name in pink?
I am certain if I were to speak about another minority group like this, I would be outta here!
Ok, please explain to me how this is where the BS starts? Am I wrong, is this a meaningless settlement or is it the real deal? Is the First Nation issue a Fed or Prov issue?
if thats the case they would be furthur ahead just to give them Algonquin Park to run. They hunt in half or more of it anyways. They could practice their culture and might even make money renting out spots to the toronto folk. They could also honour the existing hunt camps right to hunt.
Giving the band parcels of land all over the place makes no sense.
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depends I think if there ever was a treaty. If there was a treaty the federal gov't is involved. In the case of the Algonquins in the Ottawa Valley there never was a treaty so because the land is crown it is provincial and federal issue.
How did your ancestors feel? I'll bet they were feeling, "Wow, these guys have some neat sh1t and all they want for it is land or furs?" "Fill yer boots fellas, we've got lots of both!" And a days later: "Hey, if we get enough of those fire sticks the whites have we can go and kill off our hereditary enemies the ________ and take their land and squaws to make up for what we traded with the white guys."
Yup, that's what they were thinking.
It's tough living in this hell hole the white man built. That's why so many aboriginals are giving up all the white man's techno junk and moving back into their pre-contact lifestyle.
They are doing that aren't they?
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I will try to clarify. The Nishga settlement is in place and seems to be working. It was a federal directive. For reasons I do not understand there is provincial intervention in other treaties in other parts of BC. That is the BS factor.
Don't think for a second this is not taking place as we speak!
Ok so if the government does give the natives what they want. I'm guessing all the bands across Canada will ask for the best land and such. My question is they call themselves first nation. Are they? And if so did you create this land you say they have claim to now. I guess we were all born too late. My family was born in Canada, we have generations that were. Hell I am part native, just not enough to be entitled. Shouldn't every CANADIAN be entitled to a land claim that was born here? I didn't chose to be born here, it happened. Are the people born in Africa or any other country entitled to some sort of land claim? Wow this baffles me. Hey make sure you guys are first to the new planet we are colonizing. Gotta get those claims in.
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