An m14 not a norinco m305
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RememberTheSomme
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This man has nothing Chinese in his Car, home, garage or office.
This is the ideology I strive for daily,.. but fall miserably short.
I understand the OP's question.
In my books, having had the pleasure of building and shooting many springfields, norcs , norc hybrids and LRB's.
I would absolutely skip right on by the norincos and springers and get into some real quality and spend your hard earned cash on an LRB with a criterion or usgi barrel and good parts.
No need to debate like I see in the past dozen pages. If you have the money, the price tag shouldn't matter. Plain and simple, norcs are cheap and you get what you get, springers have an inflated reputation and are nice but essentially mostly offshore parts and thus massively over priced. LRB or Smith Enterprise, quality at every turn, a deserved reputation and the price tag matches the product. Pretty simple in my books
In my books, having had the pleasure of building and shooting many springfields, norcs , norc hybrids and LRB's.
I would absolutely skip right on by the norincos and springers and get into some real quality and spend your hard earned cash on an LRB with a criterion or usgi barrel and good parts.
No need to debate like I see in the past dozen pages. If you have the money, the price tag shouldn't matter. Plain and simple, norcs are cheap and you get what you get, springers have an inflated reputation and are nice but essentially mostly offshore parts and thus massively over priced. LRB or Smith Enterprise, quality at every turn, a deserved reputation and the price tag matches the product. Pretty simple in my books
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I understand the OP's question.
In my books, having had the pleasure of building and shooting many springfields, norcs , norc hybrids and LRB's.
I would absolutely skip right on by the norincos and springers and get into some real quality and spend your hard earned cash on an LRB with a criterion or usgi barrel and good parts.
No need to debate like I see in the past dozen pages. If you have the money, the price tag shouldn't matter. Plain and simple, norcs are cheap and you get what you get, springers have an inflated reputation and are nice but essentially mostly offshore parts and thus massively over priced. LRB or Smith Enterprise, quality at every turn, a deserved reputation and the price tag matches the product. Pretty simple in my books
Interesting point of view Tom - I suspect many were expecting you to espouse the merits of the Norc as a base for a well tuned finished product. Do you consider today's Norc to be a lesser rifle than those produced in previous years or have you just had a change of heart about them generally ?
People read too much into what I post hehehe
I'll say this... When John at Marstar made his claims that marstar got the best of them.... In hindsight,... John is no smoke blower
That's not to say that non marstar or newer imports are junk.
Chinese rifles are what they are. A cheap rifle to either buy and enjoy as is or forthose of us who got into this when norcs and springers were the only option, a cheap way to get a decent forged receiver to build a decent rifle on. Because we "enjoy" such things.
My feelings have not changed.
But , if I was to answer the OP"s question, respecting his request for a non chinese option. Not caring why he doesn't want chinese, who cares.
The question is simple, the debate that follows is silly. Same guys turning another thread into a springfield VS Norinco thread LOL the sheer folly of it all baffles me
You want the best in the platform, made by folks who give s szchit about the design and rifle itself.... Get an LRB
I'll say this... When John at Marstar made his claims that marstar got the best of them.... In hindsight,... John is no smoke blower
That's not to say that non marstar or newer imports are junk.
Chinese rifles are what they are. A cheap rifle to either buy and enjoy as is or forthose of us who got into this when norcs and springers were the only option, a cheap way to get a decent forged receiver to build a decent rifle on. Because we "enjoy" such things.
My feelings have not changed.
But , if I was to answer the OP"s question, respecting his request for a non chinese option. Not caring why he doesn't want chinese, who cares.
The question is simple, the debate that follows is silly. Same guys turning another thread into a springfield VS Norinco thread LOL the sheer folly of it all baffles me
You want the best in the platform, made by folks who give s szchit about the design and rifle itself.... Get an LRB
I like the idea of supporting my country and its citizens where I can. If people in Nova Scotia actually made something I might buy that too. Not all people from Quebec are socialist losers.
I agree not all of them are, but after so many years living in this province, I think I can say with some amount of certainty that the vast majority of them are, indeed. And it pisses me off to no end the parasitic mentality so many people have here, where they think the government should pay for everything they want by transferring money from those who earn it to those who just want it, just to make it fair. All I can say is, given products of similar quality or even slightly lesser quality, I would always choose the cheaper one coming from a country like China before I choose an over priced-made here one that will only help to support Socialist/parasitic Unions in this country. And yes, I am an unionized worker, but only my force.
I believe that this comparing a Norinco to a LRB is simply stupid. Of course LRB is the better rifle, just like the Ferrari is more than likely to be the better car when compared to a Hyunday Tiburon is. But being the best is not why Hyundays sell, it is rather because they allow the person without the budget for the Ferrari to still drive a car that makes him believe he's driving a sports car. And believe me, that is more than half the fun right there.
I own two M305's and I know what I paid for them and what they really are. Would I prefer a LRB instead? You better believe it! But I don't have the budget for it, although I do have the money. The Norincos just allow me to have fun with a type of rifle I wish to shoot, without me having to spend the money on them that I have reserved for more important things.
I understand the pride of ownership that drives LRB fans, I posses the same pride for the things I consider important to me. I just wish the same people just understood that for some of us, at least for some things, it is more about the fun of it than how proud owning them make us feel.
Ardent
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I understand the OP's question.
In my books, having had the pleasure of building and shooting many springfields, norcs , norc hybrids and LRB's.
I would absolutely skip right on by the norincos and springers and get into some real quality and spend your hard earned cash on an LRB with a criterion or usgi barrel and good parts.
No need to debate like I see in the past dozen pages. If you have the money, the price tag shouldn't matter. Plain and simple, norcs are cheap and you get what you get, springers have an inflated reputation and are nice but essentially mostly offshore parts and thus massively over priced. LRB or Smith Enterprise, quality at every turn, a deserved reputation and the price tag matches the product. Pretty simple in my books
Damn good perspective / advice. I've sunk 10's of thousands into M14s, recouped some of it when selling, and lost lots too, the usual cycle. Ended up at LRB and just test ran my M25 for the first time last night with its Krieger tube at 500 yards. We were knocking down 6"x12" steel plates with what neared boring regularity despite high winds and 150gr American Eagle. Looking forward to grouping it at 500 now that it's sighted in.
Lol, love this thread. For those of you that say you don't buy chinese: I guess your house is empty.
I don't like a lot of foreign, or domestic policies of many countries on this planet, inluding our neighbors to the south, what of it? Am I supporting the continued use of land mines, cluster bombs, and drone attacks because I bought a Ford? Come to think of it, Henry Ford was an anti-semetic prick, and respected friend of Adolph Hitler. Does this make me a nazi lover? Would our (the west) boycotting the products made in China, and the subsequent financial collapse of the Chinese economy, and soon to follow famine and misery, make me a better person? Would hungry, unemployed chinese families think of me fondly, for making a statement that I didn't feel applied to other countries?
Doubt it.
Buy a Springfield because you can afford one. Buy a Norinco because you can't, or because you can't justify the cost difference.
I don't like a lot of foreign, or domestic policies of many countries on this planet, inluding our neighbors to the south, what of it? Am I supporting the continued use of land mines, cluster bombs, and drone attacks because I bought a Ford? Come to think of it, Henry Ford was an anti-semetic prick, and respected friend of Adolph Hitler. Does this make me a nazi lover? Would our (the west) boycotting the products made in China, and the subsequent financial collapse of the Chinese economy, and soon to follow famine and misery, make me a better person? Would hungry, unemployed chinese families think of me fondly, for making a statement that I didn't feel applied to other countries?
Doubt it.
Buy a Springfield because you can afford one. Buy a Norinco because you can't, or because you can't justify the cost difference.
RememberTheSomme
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Wow,.....people of Quebec are socialists losers!! WTF did you get that from my expose on your post?
Now you're trying to turn, buy two degrading regional comments in your rebuttable to my post exposing your claim of appearing to be "Chinese Free" and without blemish, which is of course is utter nonsense and horse####,,... ..into an East/West cultural virtues and regional worth debate.
Didn't realize you'd be put on the ropes so early,....nice going.
Arguing over the virtues of my Norinco versus your Springfield is alot more fun and a little nicer wouldn't you agree than resorting to nasty finger pointing, stereotyping, and anything else meant to divert attention away from the real issues of debate being discussed here?
First sentence, reply to you. Second sentence a comment to the effect that I am not aware of any product manufactured in Nova Scotia. Lobster is a manufactured good? Third sentence a comment made not directly to anything you have said but my opinion to people who feel that all of Quebec's citizens are socialist losers. Perhaps I expect others to get too much from what I say.
1 LRB =7 Norincos. 1 M1a = 4 Norincos. Reality is 1 LRB = damn near 2 M1A. The Norincos don't measure up for me guys. Sorry. I purchased a 1988 Springfield Super Match M1A with Hart barrel, McMillan glass stock, GI bolt, op rod, NM flash hider and trigger group for what a new LRB standard costs. My next purchase will be LRB because I would like to own as close to GI spec as I can get. At the same time my two Springfields run fine and I'm sure my barrels will stay on them.
Well then carry on sir and best let Yomammy do the same.
This post was started by a guy who didn't want a commie rifle. Immediately the 4Xassmuch crowd started chiming in as usual. Then the Springer and LRB guys join in.
Then the panty waist Norinco guys who tried to tell someone what to do start barking "I'll do what I want freedom of choice dude".
Isn't that NAMBLAS motto? "Let us enjoy what makes us happy"
Why don't you let this guy enjoy what he wants?
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LordEvilPepper
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lol maybe from now on we should skip the 130 some odd posts of bikering and just post a pre-emtive recap like this one with a few "yada yada yada's' thrown in.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
For the cave to everything Chinese crowd, leaving out numerous issues and even multiple blow ups just recently: The west doesn't produce a cell phone here, we do make some of the best guns out there however. This thread is about a guy whose whole mission is to avoid Chinese guns, if you don't agree with that goal best to move on this thread won't prove particularily useful for you.
You remind me of an old girlfriend I once had always looking for an argument and never happy till she got one.
Just meant to say that us , meaning all of us, should enjoy what ever makes us happy. Be it a $400 dollar rifle or a $4000 dollar rifle.
Just meant to say that us , meaning all of us, should enjoy what ever makes us happy. Be it a $400 dollar rifle or a $4000 dollar rifle.
