And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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Hungry Beagle I sent my issue up the chain and was treated like a jerk. Had some bad things said to my face and behind my back. Was bullied and that was not fair.
 
I am very sorry to hear this. As someone who was DQd at this years BC Provincials, I was happy and amazed how much support I was shown. Had someone given me a DQ gift certificate I would have taken it as a show of support for how ####ty my situation was. I think all you were trying to do was let some peolple who were choked have a bit of a laugh. It is too bad things played out the way they did.
 
Come on now........this has nothing to do with the clubs and Match Director's, volunteers etc. putting on matches around B.C. - in any part of the province!!!

I travel to a lot of matches around B.C. (North and South) - shooting IPSC and IDPA.

I have had every bit as much fun shooting on the Island, Kelowna, Burke, Thompson Mtn., Chilliwack, Lone Butte, P.G., Terrace or Pr. Rupert. I have shot club matches across the Province, Qualifiers, Provincial Championships and a Nationals.

I have never felt that the geography has anything to do with the fun factor of a match. For the most part shooters are shooters and they just want to do their best, challenge themselves and have fun. I know shooters across the province that I am always glad to see and have a great time competing with. In fact, the few times I have felt truly disrespected at a match have all been in my home turf - the Northern region. Sad but true :( But these instances have been few and far between.

So for anyone to claim that you can only have fun shooting in a particular region is wrong! You get out of it exactly what you put into it. Anyone who has ever squadded with me know what I am talking about :)

What has happened to Rob feels very wrong to me. At first glance, and indeed after some reflection, there appears to be a definite lack of due process; possibly some conflict of interest on the BoD??? I don't know but it sure feels wrong.

What ever the case - all you guys saying 'this is why I don't shoot IPSC' or 'I will never try IPSC now' are missing the boat. Why would you let someone else stop you from doing something you want to do??? Why give them the power to affect your decision to that degree?? IPSC and IDPA are FUN!!! The negative incidents are rare and not worth worrying about :)

IPSC BC is made up of good, hardworking, funloving people who love to shoot :) North or south, Kootenay or Cariboo....we all share that passion. So don't start pointing fingers at each other.

IMHO

John
 
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Hungrybeagle, as always a well thought out and written post. I don't disagree with you at all. If I thought anyone would get upset over the gift certificates they would never have been presented. But discussion with numerous people, including significant others led me to believe the two individuals would be fine with it. Knowing it had been done before, numerous times, also led me to believe it would be fine. Apparently that's not the case. The real problem is the bull#### way it's been dealt with. Our rules are pretty specific about how things are supposed to proceed, and none of that happened.
 
What happened to Rob was really crappy and unfair. I agree with the member who said when they were DQ'd they felt supported. When I was DQ' d the two RO's were awesome to me and fellow shooters were great. When I received my DQ certificate I howled with laughter. It was a great reminder of what not to do. My name on my black badge certificate appears as "DQ" so there you go. Ironic because the leadership who is chasing Rob down for this deed wrote that on my Black Badge paperwork. All in good fun.

The whole deal of what happened to Rob sounds wonky. We all know he is weird, no offense buddy. The point I made by sharing my story was not to whine or bad mouth the shooter who belittled me but to show how the leadership may be broken, there seems to be a caste system and if you are in it you are golden. That was my point. All sports have issues, personality conflicts and ya, I let that get to me and I went away. I just felt it was all a bit too much for me personally. Didn't need the history off Lance there Hungry Beagle. At the end of the day I was treated like **** and no one stood up for me. Decisions and deals were made to avoid a superstar from being 10-6.
 
Lots of good people in IPSC BC,
Really, most complaints seem to really revolve around the same half dozen "god squaders".
Or two in particular...
The sad part is they do alot for the organization, have the best of intentions at heart (IMO) and are usually excellent shooters but the attitudes they exude on the range (and off) actually cause more damage than good.
The really sad part is they don't seem to comprehend the damage that they are doing or the fact that they need to change to see the sport grow further.
While I wasn't at "justfunshooting" match incedent, I'll bet I can name the party...
Its to bad she had to endure this, IPSCBC should make an effort to recruit women & families and not marginalize new members and volunteers.
Unfortunately, in my experience its only a matter of time before every member experiences a negative experience and how they deal with it determines their future in the sport.
Notice the high turn over?
 
You bet Rupzuk! It may come down to economics. It costs more to continually recruit than to retain membership. I agree that these golden members do a great deal for the sport but have incredible personalities that do make people feel ostracized and intimidated. It's too bad something can't be done. This is an amateur sport, volunteers but some people act like there will be 10 000 virgins as the prize at the end of the match. There are a ton of good, supportive, talented shooters. Just seems that the upper caste makes for interesting rules and behavior.
 
My whole point is about IPSC leadership by the way not the angry shooter. That was what made me go really. How my zone director, other zone directors and the IPSC president himself treated me. That was my deciding factor to go. I know the Production Princesses are who they are and that is cool. It was leadership from the CRO, Match Director to the top of the food chain that decided my departure. The same folks who say Rob's certificates were not funny and 10-6 worthy. One of these leaders as awoke gave me a DQ certificate. If I could figure out how to post it here, I would. For the record I thought it was hilarious when he gave it to me.
 
I am less diplomatic, I'd kick those individuals squarely in the junk for everyone to see and call it a day, but that's me.

I am not into pistol shooting sports but did read this entire thread, it is just interesting to see the direct relation to society supposedly progressing , political correctness and the lack of balls installed on people of today.Suck it up, shrug it off, laugh it off but please be a man about it.I know 12 year old girls with more balls!
 
I still think IPSC is a great sport, filled with some awesome people. Most of my best friends I met in IPSC, so don't get turned off shooting the sport. Join up, shoot and have fun. And if you have the time and patience get involved. Not everyone does. I'm heavily involved with my home club as President and as a director, so I never had the time to get involved in IPSC, other than the one time I ran the elections for them. I'd have been getting more involved next year as my presidency is up next year, but I guess instead I'll be focusing elsewhere. I know our Steel Challenge club is doing awesome, and I bet the 2 gun is going to take off too.
 
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I agree with the above statement, I too was considering trying out IPSC but now after this immature behaviour am really debating if I still want to.

I get involved with certain activities because they are "fun" but that has gone too far.

Making a decision like that without even involving the subject of the complaint, is abuse of power and unsportsmanlike to me. You should have at least had a chance to defend yourself, before a decision was sent down.
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IPSC Alberta and IPSC BC ad two separate organizations. Before making a decision come check out an IPSC Alberta match.
 
Having skimmed through this only one clear thought comes to mind. somebody should be hitting up Dairy Queen for some sponsorship money and make this "official" instead of a yellow/red card.
I don't shoot ipsc yet, but will someday. I don't think many dq's are malicious or purposeful. It might soften the blow with some soft serve.
Thanks for the insight into how the organisation works.
 
QUOTE=Walter Hornby;7799624]IPSC Alberta and IPSC BC ad two separate organizations. Before making a decision come check out an IPSC Alberta match.[/QUOTE]

Awesome post !!!LMAO :) :stirthepot2:

John
 
Rob, first of all buddy I'm really sorry to hear about your mom . I can't believe I just erased all thatI just wrote but anyways we both know that the whole deal is BS . You were one of the great things to happen to IPSC BC and now "THEY" are screwing you. I enjoyed the 5 years I shot but mostly cus you were there coaching us S&D newbies. Oh, and sooner or later I'm coming down to shoot steel as I'd like to get it going up here.
 
Having skimmed through this only one clear thought comes to mind. somebody should be hitting up Dairy Queen for some sponsorship money and make this "official" instead of a yellow/red card.
I don't shoot ipsc yet, but will someday. I don't think many dq's are malicious or purposeful. It might soften the blow with some soft serve.
Thanks for the insight into how the organisation works.

bloody awesome idea! Free soft serve would bring me back NZ claybuster
 
Rob Engh is an excellent ambassador for the shooting sports and Canada's National Firearms Association is and continues to be a proud sponsor of his commitment to excellence, sportsmanship, and good fun in promoting pistol shooting.

Sheldon Clare
President
Canada's National Firearms Association
 
here is the other DQ certificate that was received by the above member. just to show that there is a precedent even in BC to make fun of people who have been DQd
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