And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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IPSC as the world body has stated through a representative (or a man who THINKS he represents the organisation as a whole):

This is not the correct venue for you to seek information concerning your personal grievance with the British Columbia section of IPSC Canada. You need to deal with and resolve the matter domestically.

In other words... "Bugger off, not my problem"

But then again, that person has always had an issue with Canadian IPSC shooters.
 
So....should IPSC BC not have their sanctioning revoked by IPSC Canada for not following the Rule Book, or IPSC BC's Constitution. Or do the individual Canada Sections, operate entirely on their own, without oversight from either IPSC Canada or IPSC World?

Good question, but do you really want to know whats in the sausage?

Here's hoping to a resolution, it would be a shame to lose a great competitor and contributor! Also some clarity on the issue of the rulebook applying to the banquets would help, I can think of at least one or two events where I could have earned a 10.7 DQ lolz
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this is the response I got from Clint to my inquiry on the IPSCBC members forum

Hello everyone,
I am currently away in Vegas at the US Nationals, so I will keep this short:
Correspondence was exchanged between Rob & the BOD as a result of complaints
received regarding an incident at the Canadian nationals awards banquet. I can assure everyone
that he has NOT been suspended for 2 years. The BOD had no choice but to issue a suspension
following Robs refusal to comply with with the boards request that he simply apologize to the
parties involved.
I hope this clarifies all of the rumors and supposition.

Regards
Clint

Is it just me or does this clarify nothing? What is it? is he suspended or not? on probation or not? in good standing or not? This statement if more confusing than clarifying IMO.

I am not currently involved in IPSC but have been looking at getting involved. However, unlike others this situation would not stop me from entering the sport. It may however, cause me to be more cautious with my dealings with some people involved.

Slavex, I think you have handled yourself admirably in this situation. My advise would be to continue doing the same. Continue tofollow the rules, which clearly they have chosen to ignore. I believe that eventually this fact will catch up to them and these very rules that govern them will force them to reverse the ill-advised decisions that they have made to this point.

Also, I know that you have said that although their lawyer is just doing his job, I'm pretty sure that there is a clear conflict of interest in this case. Whether or not his son was the one who made the complaint is irrelevant. The nature of his son's involvement in this case as well as the fact he is a director results in his involvement being completely inappropriate. If this case ever makes it to court I think that the court itself would agree. He should have excused himself from the beginning and had another partner conduct the correspondence on behalf of IPSC BC
 
OMFG, this is really blowing up! I'm not picking sides on this one, although I joked with Don Chang about getting Fang Support shirts made up.

Anyway, I'm sure both parties just want to put this behind them so a phone call needs to happen. Whoever makes the call, doesn't mean they are weaker or wrong. Ask the other party if they want to resolve it and how it could be done to everyones benefit, now they both have something to work with. Maybe it could all be done in 5 minutes? Especially since neither one has anything to gain here. Good luck guys!
 
There is the annual fall board meeting at the end of November. All board members will be present and I am sure this will be dealt with fairly and properly at that time. Cooler heads will prevail. There is no point guessing or name calling as it is not helpful.

If what you read on your computer is keeping you from trying IPSC , your loss. As Rob says if you are unhappy the way things are run ,then express your opinion to your zone rep and or step up and volunteer to help run and change things yourself.


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What a difference it seems between actually competing in the sport -- people are smiling, easy to impart advice, laughing at one's own mistakes, shooting for the joy of it -- and then open up CGN to see that the sport I had just shot in this past weekend is apparently rife with backbiting. lawyering and childish behaviour. It doesn't dissuade me from competing in the future but it does make me extremely wary of contributing at a higher level. And despite all the stories I tell my friends of how fun IPSC is they can't get past threads like this.

It is a fantastic sport, there is a ton of super people, supportive people who help new shooters and I have met some fantastic individuals. What is unfortunate is the silliness, the egos of a few and the apparent lack of direction or courage to stand up to a few more domineering characters. BOD is totally a thankless job for sure, not everyone will be happy with their decisions. The BOD is there however to keep things fair for everyone, make sure everyone plays by the rules and hopefully reigns in the less than sportsman like members. That does not happen sadly and it seems there is a perception of favoritism.
 
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he has NOT been suspended for 2 years. The BOD had no choice but to issue a suspension
following Robs refusal to comply with with the boards request that he simply apologize to the
parties involved.
I hope this clarifies all of the rumors and supposition.
Wait....so they "simply" asked him to apologize to the parties involved, but they haven't told him who that is? Obviously he knows who got the DQ certs. but they were OK with it and the only party who was offended by it won't step forward?
 
A certain gold team production member displayed horrifying behavior at my call. He screamed at me, yelled profanity, let me know I had f'd you Rob, F'D the entire production team and let that person cheat.

pretty simple, should have dq'd the "gold team production member" on the spot, anyone else has something to say about it dq them too
 
This really hits home.
Flashbacks, of all those lost nights of sleep.
Thanks Rob for posting this.
Hopefully the BC BoD will write you another letter stating that they were on some kind of medication that was not prescribed, stating that they are sorry, please disregard the letter we gave you.
Good Luck.


John Esposito
 
Wait....so they "simply" asked him to apologize to the parties involved,

Actually no.. what they did was.. receive a complaint.. investigate it, find him guilty, punish him... ALL WITHOUT EVEN ASKING HIM FIRST.. or giving him a chance to defend himself..

That's a dictatorship.. plain and simple, and IPSC Canada should not allow this to stand. The IPSC BC memebrs should raise this up at the next AGM and DEMAND action be taken to fix the situation..
 
I have considered several times getting into IPSC.

Trusted club members advised me that I might not enjoy it.

Because- there are too many high strung, pompous drama queens with over inflated sense of self importance around that sport.


This thread reinforces that advice.
 
Again guys, don't let this keep you from IPSC. This represents such an incredibly small portion of the sport that it should not stop you from taking part. Even if I can't get this sorted out to my satisfaction, I'll still encourage people to be a part of the sport. It is a ton of fun and really there is nothing else like it.
 
Again guys, don't let this keep you from IPSC. This represents such an incredibly small portion of the sport that it should not stop you from taking part. Even if I can't get this sorted out to my satisfaction, I'll still encourage people to be a part of the sport. It is a ton of fun and really there is nothing else like it.

+1!
 
Again guys, don't let this keep you from IPSC. This represents such an incredibly small portion of the sport that it should not stop you from taking part. Even if I can't get this sorted out to my satisfaction, I'll still encourage people to be a part of the sport. It is a ton of fun and really there is nothing else like it.

and sadly ONE person holds the reins that will either allow or disallow you from shooting your sport, after all the money, time and effort you have invested as well as the money of your sponsers ONE person has the ability to submarine your whole hobby/sport.... none of the sports are any different, PPC, IDPA or IPSC but I was holding out that IPSC was held to a higher standard since they had locally elected BoD's and NATIONAL BoD's that oversee the individual provinces....
 
I hate to say it, but the only person who was preventing Rob from competing or participating was Rob himself. The BoD just made it more difficult for him to accept the conditions under which he would continue.

People should stop sensationalizing this. It's not about IPSC vs IDPA. It's not about application of the Rulebook (the rulebook does not need to apply at all in a matter of policy within an organization; the rulebook covers the rules of a competition). It's about a situation that was handled poorly and is not unsalvageable, so let's see it fixed before it gets any more out of hand. Stirring the pot on a public forum (which IMO is about half the posts in this thread) just adds fuel to the fire instead of accomplishing anything.
 
Lots of good people in IPSC BC,
Really, most complaints seem to really revolve around the same half dozen "god squaders".
Or two in particular...
The sad part is they do alot for the organization, have the best of intentions at heart (IMO) and are usually excellent shooters but the attitudes they exude on the range (and off) actually cause more damage than good.
The really sad part is they don't seem to comprehend the damage that they are doing or the fact that they need to change to see the sport grow further.
While I wasn't at "justfunshooting" match incedent, I'll bet I can name the party...
Its to bad she had to endure this, IPSCBC should make an effort to recruit women & families and not marginalize new members and volunteers.
Unfortunately, in my experience its only a matter of time before every member experiences a negative experience and how they deal with it determines their future in the sport.
Notice the high turn over?

I am not going to air my dirty laundry in a public forum, but I agree 100%. If this sport NOT IPSC but SHOOTING in General is going to grow in terms of ethnic and gender diversity much has to change.
 
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I have considered several times getting into IPSC.

Trusted club members advised me that I might not enjoy it.

Because- there are too many high strung, pompous drama queens with over inflated sense of self importance around that sport.


This thread reinforces that advice.

Its easy to avoid them and there are always the other guys that are much more laid back.
 
I hate to say it, but the only person who was preventing Rob from competing or participating was Rob himself. The BoD just made it more difficult for him to accept the conditions under which he would continue.

Absolutely NOT. Exercising your right to a fair and proper discipline process is not your fault. you have a right to be heard when a complaint is raised against you, and to speak BEFORE a decision is made.. He was already found guilty by the BOD, and told that if he does not like it, it will only get worse. Rob refused to accept that biased and unfair punishment, and as member in an NFP has the right to.
 
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