And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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So maybe you didn't notice that I kept it quiet until an impasse was reached? You know the whole "member not in good standing" thing?
matchDQ said:
This is such a depressing thread, but let's recap:

1. Something happened at an awards dinner which offended some people.
2. Those people complained to the BC BoD.
3. The BoD wrote to Slavex informing him of their reaction/decision.
4. Slavex hired a lawyer and then politicized the matter here.

Even if the BC BoD acted incorrectly, it was Slavex who made this thing go viral. IMHO, he should've kept this thing private and only go public if the BC BoD refused to deal with him or negotiate over the matter. Slavex jumping the gun and involving lawyers and going public was a huge mistake.

My 2 cents.
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PH Racing said:
I was reading this whole thread again while on the toilet and I thought, birds are funny creatures, then I thought if we could genetically engineer pigs to have wings and fly we could have open season for bacon, then I though if there is bacon flavoured dog food is it the same stuff they use for bacon bits? Then I thought why don't we just put dog food on our salad, then I thought I don't really like salad, I'd like a burger so I thought I could go to Dairy Queen and I could sure use one of those coupons...
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Holy crap .... Effing hilarious. Laugh2
 
PH Racing said:
I was reading this whole thread again while on the toilet and I thought, birds are funny creatures, then I thought if we could genetically engineer pigs to have wings and fly we could have open season for bacon, then I though if there is bacon flavoured dog food is it the same stuff they use for bacon bits? Then I thought why don't we just put dog food on our salad, then I thought I don't really like salad, I'd like a burger so I thought I could go to Dairy Queen and I could sure use one of those coupons...
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When some one talks about Dog food I think of this joke some one sent me

I was at Costco buying a bag of Purina dog chow for my dogs, in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. Why else would I be buying dog chow, RIGHT??? So on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again, and that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in intensive care, with tube coming out of most of my orifices and an IV in both of my arms. I told her that in essentially it was the perfect diet, you just need to fill your pockets full of Purina nuggets and eat one or two every time you are hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well so I am going to try it again. (I have to mention now that practically everyone one in line is now enthralled with my story). Horrified, she than asked me if the reason I ended up in Intensive care was because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off the curb to sniff a poodles butt and got hit by a car! The guy behind her in line just about fell over from laughing!

ps When I was shooting IPSC (when I had time in a past life)

If some one had given me a DQ card I would have bought a Sunday with extra sprinkles --- Ice cream will put a smile on anyone face!
 
I cant see how, in the end this won't get sorted out and that both parties involved come out of this with a mutual understanding that it was a misunderstanding that has gotten a little out of hand.

Like PH said, things happen and in the end they get worked out and we all move on.
 
Popurhedoff said:
Maybe we all need to send a $5.00 DQ gift certificate to the IPSC BC BOD to show our disapproval of this whole fiasco ;-)
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Each certificate packed in pink envelope.

john simmons said:
I cant see how, in the end this won't get sorted out and that both parties involved come out of this with a mutual understanding that it was a misunderstanding that has gotten a little out of hand.

Like PH said, things happen and in the end they get worked out and we all move on.
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John, that is how things are resolved between men.

Unfortunately, Slavex is dealing with petty, oversensitive, vindictive children there.
 
Saffer said:
This all revolves around the notion that NOT being offended is a right which, when breached, must result in the perpetrator being punished. It's flawed because being offended is part of the human condition. It happens all the time. However, often it is a conscious choice. If anybody, other than the two individuals directly involved in receiving the DQ cards, had been offended, they could have ignored the proceedings. Instead they chose to be offended, and in so doing gave the power to Rob, without Rob having any control of the issue. If someone is so easily offended it reflects a lack of self-control and a low self image. It's also childish. Mature societies allow for freedom of expression, and recognise that offence may be taken, but that the alternative, censorship, is just too high a price to pay. Any freedom loving person should be outraged by this travesty. You may dislike Rob's humour, but you should be defending his right to express himself as be chooses. The prima facie evidence certainly doesn't suggest that he was unsportsmanlike or that he brought the sport into disrepute.
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This is one of the most amazing and true things I have ever read on here.
 
I read the first post and now skipped to the end. Is this real or just a joke? It sure sounds like the latter.
 
Interesting only 4 IPSC BC members have posted on the thread that John P started regarding this issue on the IPSC BC members forum!!! ???

Apparently it is not as big an issue with IPSC BC members....or is there a certain level of resentment that this dirty laundry is being aired on a national forum. I'm not sure why the lack of support there.

John
 
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Oh, and please remember not to wear your Zombie Hunter T-shirt to a BC IPSC event.

Sensibilities will be crushed.

"IPSC, taking the fun out of shooting, a little bit at a time."
 
Go ahead a wear your zombie hunter t-shirt. No one will have a problem with it, as long as it is not the one with the abbreviation "C.U.N.T". That one did generate a number of complaints, and that is why the people wearing it were asked to not wear them at ipsc events. Apologies to any ladies on the forum for the offensive words in this post.

DVC

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Oh, and please remember not to wear your Zombie Hunter T-shirt to a BC IPSC event.

Sensibilities will be crushed.

"IPSC, taking the fun out of shooting, a little bit at a time."
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John in B.C. said:
Interesting only 4 IPSC BC members have posted on the thread that John P started regarding this issue on the IPSC BC members forum!!! ???

Apparently it is not as big an issue with IPSC BC members....or is there a certain level of resentment that this dirty laundry is being aired on a national forum. I'm not sure why the lack of support there.

John
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It would br a show of support to Rob if more people responded to the IPSCBC website looking for answers from the BOD
 
A good history - but there has to more to the Story -


Jarlath said:
The problem I see is very simple, and I'll save peeps the pages of posts to sum up.

1. Slavex posts images of match competitors with DQ certs (with permission from the recipients) From August 5th 2012 and someone is offended.
2. So instead of that individual messaging Slavex on Facebook with their reservations about the images, they go through "Official" channels and file a complaint.
3. September 12th (5 weeks later) IPSCBC BoD sends a letter informing Slavex of 2 year probation for "Unsportsmanlike conduct" during a match, and any disputing the board's course of action (regarding too harsh sactions or unwarranted) must be in writing. Sanctioned Match supposedly ends once awards are distributed and closing ceremonies are complete. (citing that the actions of the complaint were from August 5th, during the dinner/closing ceremonies.) The letter states that the BoD feels that the recipients were embarrased and somewhat shamed/humiliated about the DQ cetificates (even though they gave permission to post images???)
4. Slavex interprets written communication requirement as offical and as such uses legal representation to respond in official capacity to question the unilateral probation without being able to defend his actions or apologize for such. Asking for a copy of the complaint (if not the name of the instigator)
5. BoD Lawyers up and once again asks for written decision regarding sactioning/punishment for unsportsmanlike conduct (Accept it, Ask the BoD to reconsider, Written submission to lessen punishment)
6. Slavex Laywers a responces including the recipients of the DQ certs who were NOT offended, plus other similarly viened "humour" incidents at other national matches.
7. BCISPC laywer say what other provincal bodies do is immaterial to BC (remember the match was in Manitoba!) Suggested 2 year probation is now escalated to "No longer a member in good standing".

At no point in the correspondence from IPSCBC is there an option for Slavex to apologize for his actions, just to accept or argue the severity of the imposed punishment.



How does being put under suspension without any chance of explanation or apology work towards improving the sport? Take one for the team and sacrifice yourself or your own reputation for the one sided machinations of others in order to preserve the public face of IPSC? It doesn;t and putting all this on Slavex's shoulders is just wrongs. He may not be wholly blameless, but the IPSCBC BoD isn;t angelic in this event either... As to the improving the sport, even Slavex himself says to not take this incident as an example of the fun and comraderie that is present in IPSC across the country. If you all have issues with the event, communicate to your Co-Ordinators and perhaps even the BoD itself. While the support for Slavex here on CGN/Facebook is nothing short of admirable, you actually need to take action to enact positive change in the BoD's negagtive reactions. (Write/call/email/etc... an express your disbelief/displeasure/support/etc... at this incident in civil, but firm, wording.)

I know many people who shoot ISPC and IDPA and the variants between and in general 99% of those people are great sportsmen and help in growing their respective disciplines. I would hope that people see a few things while reading this.

1. Majority of shooters are supportive and passionate about their preferred discipline and thoroughly enjoy seeing their sport grow with new shooters who hopefuly love the sport as much as they do.
2. Even the most dedicated shooter can draw the ire of someone inadvertantly.
3. Sometimes upper echelons make bad descisions which effect the future of a shooter.

Slavex has been and hopefully will still be a passionate shooter who loves his sport, if not the administration of it. While I cannot say I would have done the same thing as Slavex in his situation, I can say that I respect him and his decision to lawyer up regarding this incident. I also respect the IPSCBC BoD's initial overatures, yet the successive actions and final outcome is not something I can agree with. (If you question our authority or methods, you are not welcome as an upstanding member of IPSC? Really?). I would hope that with everyone's input to the powers that be that something occurs which allows for a speedy and positive resolution to this entire incident for all parties.

For those who were not currently shooting IPSC but who were thinking of trying it, go and try it anyways, even if only for club-level events. You will find that the people are generally very friendly, supportive and outgoing. Same with pretty much any other shooting discipline.
Try it!
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Well Spoken - Both parties should have had a coffee, and worked out the issue.There has to be other history of IPSCBC vs Rob.

customammo said:
This and other forums could have been prevented by simple communication. I have read all of the Posts Rob has submitted and it appears Rob pulled the LAWYER Card from the get go.
When you say LAWYER it means business. It stopped from being a friendly conversation at that moment. I see no point for IPSCBC to make a phone call to him to say "Hey buddy, what’s going on".
Everybody seems to think this is a conspiracy with secret meetings and a predetermined out come. Whether Rob shoots or not in IPSC or any shooting sport the world is not going to end.
Rob is a Great shooter and has put many years of hard work in to perfecting his ability.

A simple phone call to the IPSCBC Zone Director in the beginning expressing his sincere concern that his Actions were not meant in a defamation of character of Himself, Persons Concerned, IPSCBC or IPSC Canada.
I am sure they would have reduced his Probationary Period well under a year and kept it quiet to not bring attention to the innocent people involved.

I feel this forum disrespects all the hard work everybody does to keep all shooting sports running. It is Volunteers, Sponsors, Match Directors, Clubs and Members of any sporting organization that works so hard to promote the sports.
I have assisted in sponsoring many matches and people this year, All the people that have shot something or another at a match and not won a match winning trophy, knows that just participation is good enough to have a fun and in a safe environment. I shoot any match I can and try to improve my ability and to help anyone I can. I don't look for anything else. Just to give back to the sports that I enjoy and promote participation. Where else can you run and gun, shooting elaborate stages with steel, paper, swingers and movers.
It upsets me to see all the hard work I have put in all year long to be undermined by someone who does not want to say "I Am Sorry". Every person that competes in any sport is looked up to by some one or another. It is there example that sets the standard for everyone. For IPSC a master class or grand master shooter requires to have better ethics, understanding and to hold themselves to a higher standard, as so many people want to be where they are, people have a tendency to copy what they are doing and they set the example for the sport.

For example: You go to a World Shoot. You were born and raised in Canada. You are shooting in a match that is multinational. You are given a Canadian Team Shirt yet refused to wear it. Who are you representing? The answer is Canada. Any actions you show at that match or country reflects on all Canadians. So when it comes to conduct at a national level at any time you would represent BC and all in it, the complete time you were in that province the match was held in. It makes sense.

Rob was not kicked out of IPSC. He refused to say (I am Sorry) for actions that might of offended a group of people that include all BC residence, as he was representing BC whether he liked it or not. It is sometimes better to say I am sorry quietly than to turn up side down a sport you say is fun and you enjoy. Take one for the team and save face to improve the sport. We all have done it. I have seen over 12,000 views on this one topic. What kind of promoting is this going to do? Negative Promoting is no way to view any sport.

The Damage is done. There is no way anyone can retract the things said, the comparisons used, and low Standards this kind of advertising does. I think it will be decades before this forum will be forgotten.
Gun Nutz is suppose to bring people together as we all have a common interest and as a learning tool, not to rally the troops for a lynching or public display of bad decision making. An outsider might view this as a group of people that do not get along and be worried that all of them have guns.

I feel for the IPSCBC BOD as they are a board; they had to decide what action to take and how to deliver it. They are a group of volunteer people just like you trying to promote the sport and do damage control when a complaint comes in. When they were contacted by a lawyer and not Rob they had to respond in kind with no comment to the outside. They tried to handle it in house quietly. Now it is on a public forum being discussed like gossip. Rob explains it is desperation to post it publicly. If this happened to you, would you not try to follow the chain of command locally, personally and informatively to get to the bottom of it as fast as possible?

I am not sure how this nightmare is going to end. I will still shoot lots of stuff and reload tons of bullets. I hope this does not damage the sport I love too much. Good luck to the IPSCBC BOD and Rob. Do not let this disturb any one of trying any of the action shooting sports - volunteer to help set up and run any match to keep these sports going. Hopefully all future examples will be positive well executed examples.

Brad Parsons, IPSC Member and Advid Shooter of Stuff
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Again :rolleyes:



There is the annual fall board meeting at the end of November. All board members will be present and I am sure this will be dealt with fairly and properly at that time. Cooler heads will prevail. There is no point guessing or name calling as it is not helpful.

If what you read on your computer is keeping you from trying IPSC , your loss. As Rob says if you are unhappy the way things are run ,then express your opinion to your zone rep and or step up and volunteer to help run and change things yourself.


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762shooter said:
After 25 pages this is still being debated! The issue seems to be pretty clear to me, lack of due process by the BoD, even to the extent of not even asking Slavex for his side of the matter. Unfortunately this is too typical of many volunteer boards, they sometimes seem to think that a minor position confers godlike authority.
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^^^this

Jarlath said:
5. BoD Lawyers up and once again asks for written decision regarding sactioning/punishment for unsportsmanlike conduct (Accept it, Ask the BoD to reconsider, Written submission to lessen punishment)
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The lawyer for BCIPSC can't really act for them because he is a member of the BOD and the father of one of the recipients of the DQ award. It was just posturing on their part.

Seems like an amazing amount of drama for something that wasn't really a big deal at all.
 
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