Anschutz Disappointment

allan harris said:
I post this comment often but will repeat it again here - Regardless of cost or reputation, every manufacturer will turn out a dud production rifle at some point - Anschutz don't have the monopoly on this one. I'm certainly not bashing Anschutz as I still have three 54's & a 1761 - All are reliable, accurate 22's.
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This is an excellent observation. Every manufacturer produces rifles that don't work as they should, from Anschutz to Vudoo.

In this case, it's obviously not the ammo or the rail. If the rifle in question is now at the authorized Anschutz dealer, it should get straightened out.
 
grauhanen said:
This is an excellent observation. Every manufacturer produces rifles that don't work as they should, from Anschutz to Vudoo.

In this case, it's obviously not the ammo or the rail. If the rifle in question is now at the authorized Anschutz dealer, it should get straightened out.
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I did send it back and apparently they tested it and it checked out ok. That took a month. When I got it back my experience indicated that the problem still existed. I wish you were correct in assuming the problem would be rectified.
 
yyj200 said:
I did send it back and apparently they tested it and it checked out ok. That took a month. When I got it back my experience indicated that the problem still existed. I wish you were correct in assuming the problem would be rectified.
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For clarification, was the rifle sent to Nordic Marksman? I ask because they would have the wherewithal to make it right in terms of the experience to identify the problem and the replacement parts if needed.
 
struff55 said:
Anschutz so very over rated and with that over priced
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How do you feel about Vudoo, Zermatt, or Ultimatum? What do you happen to shoot?

I have had a load of different .22 rifles from Marlin, Cooey, Norinco, Savage, CZ, Anschutz etc... The Anschutz that I have had seem to be very good value for top tier accuracy.
 
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grauhanen said:
For clarification, was the rifle sent to Nordic Marksman? I ask because they would have the wherewithal to make it right in terms of the experience to identify the problem and the replacement parts if needed.
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Yes it was sent back to Nordic Marksman. Their conclusion was, after 100 rounds testing, there were no failures. Well, I must not be holding my tongue right. The last 75 rounds I fired I had at least a dozen or more FTEs, the empties just stacked up on top of the magazine and had to be manually removed.
 
Some rifles need to be " Racked With Authority " to get proper ejection. Sounds like you're getting extraction so maybe just rack it harder ?? I read complaints about a Sav B22 not ejecting properly - it turned out the empties were hitting the scope and falling back in . . . newbies. My B22 would do that too if I didn't "RWA".
 
Buck1950 said:
Some rifles need to be " Racked With Authority " to get proper ejection. Sounds like you're getting extraction so maybe just rack it harder ?? I read complaints about a Sav B22 not ejecting properly - it turned out the empties were hitting the scope and falling back in . . . newbies. My B22 would do that too if I didn't "RWA".
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Idiotic advice for how to run a 22.
OP send rifle down the road or look at threads on rim fire central, lots of threads. Some are successful in fixing the issue some aren’t.
 
Trough the years, I have had more than 10 different Anschutz. At the moment, I own 3 of the 54 single shot ones. I remain an Anschutz fan boy. High quality rifles to me. I dont shoot PRS but strictly bench rest.

Gilbert
 
yyj200 said:
Yes it was sent back to Nordic Marksman. Their conclusion was, after 100 rounds testing, there were no failures. Well, I must not be holding my tongue right. The last 75 rounds I fired I had at least a dozen or more FTEs, the empties just stacked up on top of the magazine and had to be manually removed.
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I'm sorry to hear that it remains unsatisfactory. I'd pursue the issue with the dealer in a non-confrontational, collaborative manner. Seek a way to work with Nordic to solve a problem that continues to exist. If there's a mechanical issue with the rifle, there must be a solution.

I would avoid working the bolt hard. It's not a way to solve a problem like this over the long term.
 
grauhanen said:
I'm sorry to hear that it remains unsatisfactory. I'd pursue the issue with the dealer in a non-confrontational, collaborative manner. Seek a way to work with Nordic to solve a problem that continues to exist. If there's a mechanical issue with the rifle, there must be a solution.

I would avoid working the bolt hard. It's not a way to solve a problem like this over the long term.
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I agree.
 
Its well known that the 64 actions have ejection problems, Anschutz never did fix the issue all through production.

When I had my Anschutz MPR 64, I didn't use the mag because I loaded 1 shot manually into the chamber. Sometimes it would fall through the magwell. Only ammo I used was the SK yellow bulk can, it shot lights out.

There is a fix:

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/anschutz-64-ejection-problem-fixed.4998/

I would buy a spare extractor just in case you mess up and take off too much material.
 
yyj200...Sounds like you could do with a little more encouragement to ensure this issue is resolved.

I've had a bit to do with Brad & Carol at Nordic and would be surprised if they aren't able to rectify the faults which you obviously have with this new 1710.

Here are a couple of videos I made for the RFC crowd many years ago - These ejection and feed issues crop up there regularly. The first is an older rear safety 1710 I bought S/H because the owner said it wouldn't eject a spent case. Function is pretty convincing after I modified the extractors. The second is my wife's 1710 after I precisely adjusted the mag. housing so that the rifle would run factory mags & modified & unmodified Wisners.

Finally, here is an accuracy sample shot by my wife with this rifle earlier to-day - 5X5 from a clean, cold bore. This rifle has fired just shy of 10k rounds and is extremely reliable. I re-worked the extractors on this one too.

I have never seen a 54 in a chassis - Anyone here know if a chassis may effect feed on these set ups? I imagine the mags clip straight into the Anschutz housing but correct chassis set up is certainly critical on the 700 foot print rimfires.

https://youtu.be/UI9-QRrcUIM

https://youtu.be/M136wY6LTRs

 
Anschütz made their mark with the quality of their barrel performance. Unfortunately, many other aspects of their designs are finicky and sometimes overcomplicated. Even the Fortner-Anschütz design was a result of trying to create a rifle to compete with designs like the Izhmash and as precise as it is, is also more complicated and slower. Ironically in terms biathlon kit, Fortner even offers further simplifications of parts to Anschütz originals. If it were feasible and taking aside politics, I would have a custom build Izhmash biathlon to be honest.

Having said that I happily own several Anschütz 54-Match and Fortner rifles. However, if I were to look to build a rifle, there is something to be said CZ offerings for simplicity, versatility and value.
 
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m1008 said:
Idiotic advice for how to run a 22.
OP send rifle down the road or look at threads on rim fire central, lots of threads. Some are successful in fixing the issue some aren’t.
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^I think that's a little harsh, but since I own a 64 (never held or shot anything higher up the food chain) I have to think what Buck meant was to cycle it a little quicker, at least the rearward travel of the bolt itself. Not effort or strength, just a little more speed. My technique is to lift the bolt with the edge of the palm, and flick it back with my middle finger. Anyone who tries the rifle-I give that direction. You can't use too much strength that way, and you hand always remains in position to cycle the bolt.

I will look at the link someone posted about modifying the ejectors, I don't have a rail on mine but cases seem to eject almost straight-up which means they bounce off the scope allot of the time. I'll give you 3 guesses at where they end-up when that happens...but you'll only need 1. Anyhow, not sure if the ejector modification results in the cases ejecting more to the side..but if that's the case, I may take this on.

I've dealt with Brad on a few things and can attest to how amazing he and Nordic are. OP-I'd follow grauhenen's advice and reach out again to try and get this sorted-out to your satisfaction.
 
.22LRGUY said:
^I think that's a little harsh, but since I own a 64 (never held or shot anything higher up the food chain) I have to think what Buck meant was to cycle it a little quicker, at least the rearward travel of the bolt itself. Not effort or strength, just a little more speed. My technique is to lift the bolt with the edge of the palm, and flick it back with my middle finger. Anyone who tries the rifle-I give that direction. You can't use too much strength that way, and you hand always remains in position to cycle the bolt.

I will look at the link someone posted about modifying the ejectors, I don't have a rail on mine but cases seem to eject almost straight-up which means they bounce off the scope allot of the time. I'll give you 3 guesses at where they end-up when that happens...but you'll only need 1. Anyhow, not sure if the ejector modification results in the cases ejecting more to the side..but if that's the case, I may take this on.

I've dealt with Brad on a few things and can attest to how amazing he and Nordic are. OP-I'd follow grauhenen's advice and reach out again to try and get this sorted-out to your satisfaction.
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Correct on the cycling method... I just rock my hand back and forth with the palm still on the stock. 2 fingers up, then back... thumb forward and then down. About as close as I am going to get to a Fortner style of cycling. Very fast when compared to other rimfire bolts.

Yes, when you adjust the extractors, you are changing the timing of where/when the case is spat out. With a scope and base, you will need to make sure the cases are going sideways vs straight up.

Once done, operation mimics anything else. Biggest difference in the quality of the factory barrels... they tend to shoot really well with good match ammo.

And that quality seems to have been carried over to the clones I am using (but that can vary)

Jerry
 
OP, Post #1 - " . . . If I get aggressive and deliberate the Anschutz will eject, but not impressively. . . ."
Problems with 'Authority' ?? Seems to need some . . .
 
Thank you every one. I did have some luck with a quick back stroke, but it’s nowhere as nice and positive as my CZ.
 
The one and only Anschutz I ever owned and still own is 1411 match 54 manufactured in 1974. Can’t comment on magazine feeding because it’s a single shot but I will say that I never had any problems with extraction or ejection. As much as I like Anschutz rifles and was considering buying the newer 1761 model, you should NOT have to modify extractors to get a 2 or 3 thousand dollar rifle to operate reliably. That being said all manufactures can produce lemons. I recently bought a Sauer 100 in 7mm Rem mag. They advertise a 1 moa or less accuracy guarantee, well this rifle could not produce a 1 moa group if it’s life depended on it. I tried 5 different bullet weights and they all shot the same, poorly. I challenged Sauer to back up their 1 moa accuracy guarantee and after I sent it in to the warranty centre to be test fired to verify that it shot poorly they agreed to replace the rifle, only I have to wait until more arrive in Canada in 7mm.
 
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