Anschutz Disappointment

by all means... prove which rifle the Scorpio is based on.

I have shown my info... you don't like... go ahead and prove your point of view.

I am sure the shooting world is waiting with baited breath on the answer.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
by all means... prove which rifle the Scorpio is based on.

I have shown my info... you don't like... go ahead and prove your point of view.

I am sure the shooting world is waiting with baited breath on the answer.

Jerry
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Jerry, you're the one who made the claim. You have the rifle. I asked a question that you seem reluctant to anwer.

But I won't be waiting with bated breath for an answer you're welcome to offer. If you're deflecting because you don't have one, we'll soon know.

It's okay to say you don't really know.
 
Can you drop that mag without taking your dominant hand off the pistol grip? Because that's a huge component of the superiority of the 700 platform. That and the large flared magwell with physically bigger magazines.
 
I’m just going to add that it’s much easier to handle a big mag than the small mag. As far as the tough factor, I drove over my polymer Vudoo mag with my Toyota truck. It’s still being used today. Don’t think the metal mag would fair the same. With gloves or cold hands the big mag wins hands down. The feeding issues are related to mags fitting properly in the chassis or stock. No different than any mag fed rifle!! I do have baited breath and eagerly await. I had a smoked tuna steak ! Does that count haha
 
Grantmac said:
Can you drop that mag without taking your dominant hand off the pistol grip? Because that's a huge component of the superiority of the 700 platform. That and the large flared magwell with physically bigger magazines.
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I use whichever hand works for the position on the stage if a mag change is needed...

Easy enough to make a flared well in the factory stock although, there seems to be plenty of taper so this hasn't been needed.

The option to have the mag ON the stock can be very helpful.. if needed to best complete the stage. And there are other options for mag set up when you have a smaller profile mag.

If the large profile mags are working for you, fantastic... too many shooters have issues but there seems to be new designs all the time and hopefully, things become more reliable.

Me, I just prefer mags designed with the needs of the rimfire case that don't need fancy loading methods, and sealed from the elements.

YMMV

Jerry
 
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Longstud said:
I’m just going to add that it’s much easier to handle a big mag than the small mag. As far as the tough factor, I drove over my polymer Vudoo mag with my Toyota truck. It’s still being used today. Don’t think the metal mag would fair the same. With gloves or cold hands the big mag wins hands down. The feeding issues are related to mags fitting properly in the chassis or stock. No different than any mag fed rifle!! I do have baited breath and eagerly await. I had a smoked tuna steak ! Does that count haha
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Some mags can allow rim lock to occur... yes, a shooter can load and try and avoid this, I just prefer a mag design where you can't screw up the loading process. Next match you are at, see if there are shooters having mag related issues. I have yet to go to one without some issues occuring....

I am unsure of other rimfires outside the 700 types that need so much TLC to ensure mag fitment.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Some mags can allow rim lock to occur... yes, a shooter can load and try and avoid this, I just prefer a mag design where you can't screw up the loading process. Next match you are at, see if there are shooters having mag related issues. I have yet to go to one without some issues occuring....

I am unsure of other rimfires outside the 700 types that need so much TLC to ensure mag fitment.

Jerry
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The Vudoo mags are notorious for rim lock, unless you are extremely careful when loading. They even offer a loading tool to try and get around the issue. This is the first .22 I have had that needs modifications to brand new magazines to make them feed properly. It's a poor design IMO. Vudoo has a new design coming. Maybe, that will fix the issues.

The large AICS style magazines are not a benefit to the system as far as I am concerned. I get that people wanted a .22 trainer to match their centerfires, but the mags and mag well could be 1/2 to 1/3 the size they are now and be made to function a lot better.
 
Well I guess I just got lucky with the five I have. No modifications to any of them and I use no special loading technique. I have heard of the rim lock but haven’t experienced it thus far. I have seen failure with mags being pushed against barricades and then jams but only with the curved steel mags. A little pressure on the back or front and failures will happen.
 
Manfs around the world have shown the best way to feed those little rimmed cases is to control the feeding within the action... so whether by detachable mag or tube, alignment is determined by the items attached directly to the action. If someone knows of a historical rifle where the mag is not controlled by the action, let us know.

Also, no mass produced factory rimfire I am aware of using a det mag, vertically stacks the ammo. rimmed cases should not be vertically stacked.... or you can create rim lock. So yes, the vudoo mag BY DESIGN, allows for rim lock... a huge reason I never jumped on the bandwagon 5yrs ago. And this applies to all other factory and aftermarket mags using a similar planform.

The 700/AICS mag break that tradition and now you open the door to 4 major areas in the rifle system that can vary... and all the possible outcomes that allows. Why some work great... and many others fight their set up constantly.

700 based rimfires are all the rage, leading to more options and versions... and hopefully, more fixes. Me, I take a very pragmatic approach... PRS depends on feeding reliability above all else... so that eliminates alot of systems from my safe.

for the other more traditional rimfires, I have barricade tested as many as I could get my hands on, and they all fail when pressure is applied. the exceptions would be the flush mounted rifles like the 10/22 using factory mags. If the mag hangs down, you can make it fail to function properly if you apply pressure to it... so of course, that includes AICS mag rifles.

My solution very early on was a barricade brace... they are starting to become popular now and I feel a must have accessory for any rifle. avoiding anything that can impede smooth feeding is important.

Jerry
 
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I’m surprised that Vudoo hasn’t adapted the 10-22 magazines to the 700 platform .
There is lots of room in the mag well area to be modified for a mechanism to use regular 10-22 magazines or they could add the rotary system to AI style. The later would change the dimensions of the AI style but you would have a large mag to hang onto .
 
So you're saying you CAN drop the mag without breaking grip or using the opposite hand? Because I don't see how.

Never have I had a Bergara mag misfeed even pressed into a bag and they are extremely durable.
I see magazine problems all the time with rimfires using little metal mags.
 
Grantmac said:
So you're saying you CAN drop the mag without breaking grip or using the opposite hand? Because I don't see how.

Never have I had a Bergara mag misfeed even pressed into a bag and they are extremely durable.
I see magazine problems all the time with rimfires using little metal mags.
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All my rifles have a barricade stop. It doesn't matter which hand I use to remove the mag cause the rifle is braced and not going anywhere... and it can be braced whether I am shooting strong or weak side. I don't need the grip hand to support the rifle during the mag change... I don't need either hand to support rifle during a mag change.

I can use either hand to remove and reinsert the mag, or I can use both hands with one to remove, the other to insert the next mag. Having the option to put the mag on the rifle makes this process quick and easy....sometimes when they have you in some awkward position, I don't need to try and contort back or down to get at the next mag on a belt. Getting a lot less bendy with age.

Whatever is best for the position I will be in when I need to do a mag change.

I would be shy to run ANY rimfire without some kind of barricade stop. Simple add on that ensures zero strain on the mag regardless of the position of the rifle.

Jerry
 
4C day with light variable gusty winds.

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100yds with the Scorpio, tuner and Lapua CenterX. This was to verify the setting from previous day which was colder. Needed a slight adjustment on the tuner but 2X5rds shot great... you can see wind direction change between groups.

Reused the target I was testing my 6.5 on.

These rifles can shoot very well.

Jerry
 

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So no, you can't. No need to muddy the water in some weird attempt to dodge the question.

You can mount any mag on a rifle and I don't need a separate barricade stop because it's built into my chassis.
 
And...

If you haven't seen the set up used by Josh from Pursuit of Accuracy on youtube, a very nice barricade stop for an chassis/aics set up.

The chassis barricade stop in the magwell of most chassis still doesn't protect the mag from hitting the support bag... and that can cause issues. If it doesn't affect you, great... it certainly does for others.

Love to hear how/where you would want to mount an AICS mag on a chassis.... not that you would need nor want to. Just curious.

Jerry
 
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Well guns built on Aics mag platforms are capable of accepting mags that hold more than ten rounds. But mag changes are many times mandatory. Speed comes from muscle memory and Im pretty sure a seasoned PRS shooter utilizing the same platform gun will be more efficient and faster at a mag change than someone using a one of a kind JERRY rigged mag holder Bubbad on their gun. Sorry no pun intented. Well actually, it was!! Now thats funny and the truth. EDIT as Im sure some eloquent response will follow. Just wondering if its just me or has anyone noticed a direct relationship of running down only the things not sold by or able to make any money on!! Aftermarket 10/22 parts are where the problems arise according to someone. Other than barrels and Timney triggers, which just happen to be on his website, Heaven forbid an aftermarket receiver,bolt or trigger. Oh thats rite he doesnt sell any of those but continually runs down the precise cnc machined parts from not one, but all other manufacturers. States thats where all his problems begin. Callin BS on all of it and his findings. I find it incredible that of the guns Ive built with all the parts he says dont work that Ive never had any malfunction in any of mine. Guess im just lucky! I dont sell stuff for a living so my results are un biased. Ive shot many matches and I would like to hear of anyone whos seen a malfunction out of my gun with all the troublesome parts. You WONT !!! You will hear people comment on how accurate my rifle is. Not just with me the driver. Its the gun and Im the weak link in the chain.
 
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Longstud said:
Well guns built on Aics mag platforms are capable of accepting mags that hold more than ten rounds. But mag changes are many times mandatory. Speed comes from muscle memory and Im pretty sure a seasoned PRS shooter utilizing the same platform gun will be more efficient and faster at a mag change than someone using a one of a kind JERRY rigged mag holder Bubbad on their gun. Sorry no pun intented. Well actually, it was!! Now thats funny and the truth. EDIT as Im sure some eloquent response will follow. Just wondering if its just me or has anyone noticed a direct relationship of running down only the things not sold by or able to make any money on!! Aftermarket 10/22 parts are where the problems arise according to someone. Other than barrels and Timney triggers, which just happen to be on his website, Heaven forbid an aftermarket receiver,bolt or trigger. Oh thats rite he doesnt sell any of those but continually runs down the precise cnc machined parts from not one, but all other manufacturers. States thats where all his problems begin. Callin BS on all of it and his findings. I find it incredible that of the guns Ive built with all the parts he says dont work that Ive never had any malfunction in any of mine. Guess im just lucky! I dont sell stuff for a living so my results are un biased. Ive shot many matches and I would like to hear of anyone whos seen a malfunction out of my gun with all the troublesome parts. You WONT !!! You will hear people comment on how accurate my rifle is. Not just with me the driver. Its the gun and Im the weak link in the chain.
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I offer info based on my real world experience... your experiences may be different. Issues surrounding rimfires are not just my opinion. No shortage of that demonstrated in videos posted by others.. and at matches.

If you are happy with a system and you have it working well, fantastic. Where I have a concern is that issues with popular systems and products are glossed over and those who may suggest otherwise have 'vested interests'. Are there feeding issues and need for proper setup in Rem 700/AICS type rimfires? Have there been mechanical woes from various platforms? Of course there are.

Whether that is considered a good or bad thing is entirely up to the end user choosing their platform.... but let's try and have an open discussion about these issues. Maybe that will help manufactures improve their programing and designs.

The issues I chat about I have viewed first hand with customers I have helped resolve. Whether you believe that or not, doesn't change my experiences... nor the disappointment of those customers. Who are rarely talking about it on forums for fear of blow back... kind of like now.

All the stuff I chat about I also offer the conditions under which I gained my data... easy enough for anyone to test and disprove it if they want to. Or maybe try and get some positive results.

Finally, I take my 'bad ideas' and test them under match conditions against some very good competitors. Getting on the podium seems to me as a valid way to prove a concept... and that is pretty darn hard to 'fake'.

YMMV

Jerry
 
Someone should ask the question . . . Why are some swaying away from the question and intent of the original post?

Perhaps I just did . . .

Getting back to the original post it would make sense to keep sending it back to the supplier until the issue is resolved and they should be sending you mailers so it is no cost to you.
 
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