Anschutz Disappointment

OP: sad you're having problems with this rifle. My estimation is that the rifle should be scrapped. Send it to me and I'll take care of that for you... (and please don't take that seriously)...
I hope you can get these issues sorted out.
 
dan belisle said:
I currently own two annies, a 1415 and I forget the other model number, a 64 action if memory serves. Had two others. Havent had any mechanical issues. Guess Ive been lucky.- dan
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You haven't needed to be lucky to get an Anschutz that works just as it should. It's the atypical exception that doesn't. When there are rare problems, they are often associated with 54 action sporter/repeater models.

I've had about nine or ten Anschutz 64 action rifles (and one Exemplar XIV 64 action handgun). All worked as they should. So, too, have the two 54 action repeaters I've had.

While a few of the early single shot Match 54 Anschutz rifles made before 1964, which have only a single "extractor," have been reported to have extraction or ejection problems, most of these early models work as they should. I've had several, and they worked fine. The post-1964 Match 54 single shot rifles have two "extractors" (actually one extractor and one cartridge holder) and extraction/ejection failures are virtually nonexistent. I've had so many of these that I've lost count, and each worked as it should.

Readers should keep in mind that, as has been noted previously in this thread, every make of rifle has individual examples with problems. From A to Z -- Anschutz to Vudoo to Zermatt RimX -- there is no make of .22LR that doesn't have owners who have complaints grounded in real problems. When a rifle that's expensive has problems, owners let others know.
 
Other makes either fix the individual rifle if it's a one-off problem or make a running fix on the design if it's systemic. The 54 Sporter problems are systemic and Anschutz hasn't changed the feeding system despite several other running changes.

This particular rifle is a PRS specific setup so function must be flawless. Unlike other disciplines where a feeding issue is an annoyance unlikely to cost points, in PRS every second is prescious and breaking position is costly.

The 1761 appears to be placed to fix these issues by using an extraction system similar to the Match 54. Now that they are also available with a proper match trigger and vastly improved mag release they are the only Anschutz model which appears well suited to PRS (but I'd still get a 700 footprint).
 
As a PRS competitor, I am very leery of the Rem 700 platforms. No shortage of teething pains.

If I wasn't running this clone, I would be running a CZ457 if I needed a bolt rifle... but my primary is a 10/22 cause they run.. and can run very well.

Jerry
 
Grantmac said:
Other makes either fix the individual rifle if it's a one-off problem or make a running fix on the design if it's systemic. The 54 Sporter problems are systemic and Anschutz hasn't changed the feeding system despite several other running changes.

This particular rifle is a PRS specific setup so function must be flawless. Unlike other disciplines where a feeding issue is an annoyance unlikely to cost points, in PRS every second is prescious and breaking position is costly.
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Keep in mind that this rifle design goes back to the mid-fifties and it was never intended to be a PRS platform. It was designed for gentlemanly hunting, not the rigors of PRS. Of course it's on Anschutz dealers and aftermarket suppliers for matching the barreled action with a chassis and calling it "Competition". It's an understandable effort to get a piece of the PRS market. Anschutz itself doesn't promote such a 54 action model for PRS on the Anschutz website.

I agree the new 1761 PRS model, the 1761 APR, is much more suitable.

 
https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/1761-details.html#:~:text=With nearly three years of,17 HMR.

Lots of info here.. positives - barrel swaps are easier. Trigger should be pleasant to use.

negatives, not a fan of the mag release inside the trigger guard. And we don't mount rings to receivers cause... we need to shim the crap out of our scopes so being able to use a rail and rings is important. Trigger may be vulnerable to dirt and trigger shoe might move. No option for higher capacity at this time.

Interesting that my clone uses the type of extractors that this action does. Unsure when Annie went to the c clip spring for the 54.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Lots of info here.. positives - barrel swaps are easier. Trigger should be pleasant to use.

negatives, not a fan of the mag release inside the trigger guard. And we don't mount rings to receivers cause... we need to shim the crap out of our scopes so being able to use a rail and rings is important. Trigger may be vulnerable to dirt and trigger shoe might move. No option for higher capacity at this time.

Interesting that my clone uses the type of extractors that this action does. Unsure when Annie went to the c clip spring for the 54.

Jerry
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Regarding lots of information on the 1761 APR model for PRS, the Anschutz website itself is probably better as it's specifically about this model https://www.anschuetz-sport.com/en/produkte/1761-apr-xrs-chassis/1761-apr-xrs-chassis/

This model comes with a full length 30 MOA rail. The trigger is the 5061 D, which is factory set at 750 grams. The magazine has a ten shot capacity.

As for when Anschutz began using C clips for the extractors, they have been in use with repeaters in general for a long time. Anschutz started with the first Anschutz sporter rifle repeaters. All 64 action bolts have C clips. All 54 action repeaters have always had C clips (since their introduction in the mid-fifties).

Anschutz Match 54 single shot rifle bolts don't use C clips.

Below are three Anschutz bolts. One is a 64 action bolt, the other a more recently designed one for a 54 repeater. Even the Fortner bolt uses a C clip. The last picture shows a very early 1954 or 1955 vintage 54 sporter, with the C clip on the bolt.


 
Mystic Precision said:
As a PRS competitor, I am very leery of the Rem 700 platforms. No shortage of teething pains.

If I wasn't running this clone, I would be running a CZ457 if I needed a bolt rifle... but my primary is a 10/22 cause they run.. and can run very well.

Jerry
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A lot of the Rem 700 problems are due to operator error, I think. Short stroking the bolt and such. I bought a Vudoo 360 just to see what all the fuss was about. Did it run perfectly when I got it? No.
So I spent 2 days with it. I pulled the extractors and did some polishing, then adjusted the springs. Adjusted the mag catch in the chassis perfectly. Did some slight mods to the magazines. Now it's perfect. I don't think I could intentionally make it FTF or FTE if I tried. I run it just like my centerfires. Firm and fast.
Should I have to do all that on what is supposed to be a custom barreled action. Probably not, but, hey, it's a .22 and I haven't seen any on the PRS line that don't have a bobble now and then.
 
Walterfisher said:
A lot of the Rem 700 problems are due to operator error, I think. Short stroking the bolt and such. I bought a Vudoo 360 just to see what all the fuss was about. Did it run perfectly when I got it? No.
So I spent 2 days with it. I pulled the extractors and did some polishing, then adjusted the springs. Adjusted the mag catch in the chassis perfectly. Did some slight mods to the magazines. Now it's perfect. I don't think I could intentionally make it FTF or FTE if I tried. I run it just like my centerfires. Firm and fast.
Should I have to do all that on what is supposed to be a custom barreled action. Probably not, but, hey, it's a .22 and I haven't seen any on the PRS line that don't have a bobble now and then.
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you are absolutely correct... and when I spend that time to tune a $220 clone which then runs with the mega dollar bolt rifles easily to 400m, it puts a smile on my face.

One of the weak points in these Rem rimfires is their mags. In a repeater, you are only as good as your mags... and how they can be set up. with so much engineering put into designing these large platform rimfires, you would think they would have resolved the mag issues first?

I am glad it is working well for you... for me, I see a number of failure points and no shortage of shooters struggling throughout a match weekend. Maybe one day, someone will blend the positives of the various actions WITH a robust and reliable mag (rim lock should never be part of the conversation).

I am just happy that my rifles shoot well, run well and help me get on podiums as my knees and back allow

Jerry
 
I'm pretty sure your "clone" is actually based on a Suhl action, at least according to someone very familiar with both who I've spoken to.
The 700 platform mags are far easier to handle on the clock. The new extended 1761 looks better than other small rimfire mags but still not as good. Maybe a big bumper could be added to the bottom.
The only issue I've had with my B14R is the bolt moves so easily that it runs forward on its own sometimes. I've recently seen a picture of someone with some shock cord setup to prevent that and I may copy it.
 
Grantmac said:
I'm pretty sure your "clone" is actually based on a Suhl action, at least according to someone very familiar with both who I've spoken to.
The 700 platform mags are far easier to handle on the clock. The new extended 1761 looks better than other small rimfire mags but still not as good. Maybe a big bumper could be added to the bottom.
The only issue I've had with my B14R is the bolt moves so easily that it runs forward on its own sometimes. I've recently seen a picture of someone with some shock cord setup to prevent that and I may copy it.
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Definitely not a SUHL unless they made a variety of action types. Mine is definitely a clone of the Annie 54 from many years back.

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/rimfire/scorpio-em332a-22lr-review/

Can't find the pics of the action from the 60s 70s. I had thought the safety was a add on to get around import rules but the original Annie does have this very goofy setup.

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And a DIP Annie 54 scope base matches up with all the cutouts and contour. Did need fitting cause... like everything else on these clones.

Confident to say this is an annie 54 clone from years back. Trigger group is definitely home brew... but can be made to work very nicely with around 2lbs pull. Unsure if an older annie trigger pack would fit????

And the bolt handle has a thumb 'scallop' so you can hold the bolt back easily with the muzzle up.

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This clone checks off all the boxes I would want in a PRS bolt rifle... even the stock.

Jerry
 

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Nope.... its an Annie

Jerry

PS... in case the wheels are turning, the better donor is the new EM322X. The QC is better, set up for a scope base and tactical bolt knob AND, the barrel is easily swapped out. Not the same as the 1761 but much nicer vs the CZ457/455.

As long as you dont mind a heavier pull weight (although some have suggested they can make a super light pull using a different spring).

Just saying...
 

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Grantmac said:
I'm pretty sure your "clone" is actually based on a Suhl action, at least according to someone very familiar with both who I've spoken to.
The 700 platform mags are far easier to handle on the clock. The new extended 1761 looks better than other small rimfire mags but still not as good. Maybe a big bumper could be added to the bottom.
The only issue I've had with my B14R is the bolt moves so easily that it runs forward on its own sometimes. I've recently seen a picture of someone with some shock cord setup to prevent that and I may copy it.
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3D printed mag extenders to 12rds

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have I mentioned the mags are steel and built like a tank? Sorry, the AICS type rimfire mag will never be as fast to swap as something already on the rifle. And something you don't mind dropping on any surface.

And I have an even faster set up...

Jerry
 

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