Interesting, next time I'm by the mall I'll pop into wild west and investigate. I'm interested in these guns but agree with fenceline, there does feel like something is not right with promises to ship for weeks and nothing being out. I'm not surprised that the pump mags could be used in the semi, I think that was asked early on in some other thread.
Anyone bought a BR-99 yet?
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I'm not surprised either.
But magazines don't affect the classification of a firearm. What type of firearm a magazine is designed for does affect the magazine's capacity though.
Why hasn't the FRT been published yet for the pump guns or the semi auto? The lab doesn't keep FRT entries secret or unpublished unless they haven't finished their review.
How would TI get the guns passed DFAIT without a published FRT, other than to say the guns were coming in as samples? Samples are approved for import by DFAIT in small amounts without an FRT, but not large batches for sale. There is an FRT number assigned to the BR99, but that occurs at the start of a classification exam. It is only published once the examination is concluded and the findings authored.
Is it illegal to possess a gun without a published FRT? No. But the lab's review and opinion are strong weight in court for prosecution.
A pump gun is a pretty safe bet to meet the definition of non-restricted in the Criminal Code. Not easily convertible to Full Auto, not likely a converted auto, and likely not a variant of a named prohib. Just another NR pump gun. Not much risk in selling these to the public without an FRT as long as the buyer has a PAL.
But a semi auto mag fed shotgun.... semi autos might be capable of being easily converted to full auto, or they might be a variant of an AR15, which would make it restricted. The BR99 shares a lot in common with the AKDAL 1919, and the lab already considers that an AR15 variant.
Shipping guns as NR before an FRT is issued, which might end up being declared restricted when the lab actually publishes it's findings, would not be good for an importer, the importer's dealer, or the consumer in possession of the gun either without registration for the restricted, or without the valid licence for it if they only had a PAL and not RPAL.
Now that... would be a viable reason for delays in shipping.
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Not to nitpick, but DFAIT is renamed to Global Affairs Canada. Also I don't think it's them anyhow, it's CBSA isn't it?
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They (be they called DFAIT or GAC) issue the International Import Certificates to import firearms.
http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/about-a_propos/impor/iic.aspx?lang=eng
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They don't get 3 weeks over Christmas. It was sarcasm.
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My BR99-CL6 arrived by Courier today.
First impressions...
The BR99 doesn't feel "cheap" as I feared it might going into this purchase sight unseen.
Sights are plastic and appear somewhat cheap'ish but probably what you should expect from a firearm in this price range.
As for the magazine modification that was suppose to be holding this up from shipping, it looks like the magazine catch has been changed to a wider latching point and the magazines have had the mating slot machined/filed to lengthen it.
A note on the magazines, they fit VERY snug, might have to modify the lower to fix that issue.
As for the 5 round magazines, they are steel with a plastic follower and plastic end cap.
Possible modifications:
-Fix the magazine fit issue.
-Add some better sights perhaps an AR15 A2 Alloy Carry Handle and the Alloy Fore grip available as an accessory for the BR99.
First impressions...
The BR99 doesn't feel "cheap" as I feared it might going into this purchase sight unseen.
Sights are plastic and appear somewhat cheap'ish but probably what you should expect from a firearm in this price range.
As for the magazine modification that was suppose to be holding this up from shipping, it looks like the magazine catch has been changed to a wider latching point and the magazines have had the mating slot machined/filed to lengthen it.
A note on the magazines, they fit VERY snug, might have to modify the lower to fix that issue.
As for the 5 round magazines, they are steel with a plastic follower and plastic end cap.
Possible modifications:
-Fix the magazine fit issue.
-Add some better sights perhaps an AR15 A2 Alloy Carry Handle and the Alloy Fore grip available as an accessory for the BR99.
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Now all you need to do is file the magazine latch to a narrower profile on the shotgun so you can use the pump-action variant mags of larger capacity. Should not be illegal, you are not modifying a mag, only modifying a magazine catch.
Purchased a BR-99 CL1 and have had it out to the range three times now. Most of my shotgun shooting is club level three gun shooting steel targets or static clay pigeons. Up until know most of my shotgun shooting has been with Remington 870 pump shotguns. Currently I am using a 870 Tactical. Hoping to use this shotgun in future club matches.
It came with two five round magazines and three chokes (IM, M, IC). It semi-automatic with a 20" barrel. It has AR style controls (safety, magazine release and bolt catch). The cocking handle is in the right side of the receiver. It came with a rubber cap over the cocking handle. It was useless and fell off immediately. I am not sure if it was only to prevent the cocking handle from piercing the box or was to address complaints that the cocking handle is too small and sharp. It has an A2 style carrying handle with an adjustable rear sight. The rear sight has a round peep sight and a U notch sight. It has a polymer A2 style front sight. There is a full length picatinny rail on the receiver and front hand guard and a short rail on the bottom of the hand guard.
The shotgun does feel as cheap as I expected and actually feels quite durable. The rear sight and carrying handle is functional but is plastic and feels cheap. The shotgun feels slightly front heavy. Of course when loaded the weight of the ammunition doesn't make it feel even more front heavy like tube fed shotguns. The butt is hollow and I have read online that the butt can be filled with a bag of sand to balance it out. I don't think it's a big enough issue so I won't be doing this.
The threading on the chokes is very fine and as far as I know they are not interchangeable with other makes. I find they are a little hard to get the started when threading them in. I am a little concerned about the possibility of cross threading them.
The first day on the range I put 63 rounds of mixed ammunition thought it. I had read that you need to put 100 heavy loads through it to get it running properly. I didn't have that much and most of my ammo was 2 3/4 inch not 3 inch. It ran flawlessly with the 3" shot, 2 3/4" buckshot and 2 3/4" rifled slugs.
I tried Federal 2 3/4" Target Load 7.5 shot. Rounds 6 to 10 fired and partially cycled the action and ended up with the fired shot she'll in the chamber with the bolt closed. Rounds 59 to 63 fired and partially ejected and ended up with the empty shot shell stove piped in the chamber.
The second time out I put 20 rounds of 2 3/4" buckshot through it. Functioned flawlessly. Tired some Winchester Super Target 2 3/4" 8 shot and it jammed the shotgun. I had bought a flat of this ammo and it jams my 870 as well. I have since donated all of this Winchester ammo to club members that have double barrelled shotguns and I won't be purchasing Winchester again.
I ordered two extra 5 round magazines which cost $52.99 + tax each. I remove the rear sight and carrying handle with a Vortex Strikefire II red dot sight. Went out yesterday and sighted the red dot in with 14 rounds of Score rifled slugs. Functioned flawlessly and hitting A zone on a IPSC target at 50 yards is no problem with fairly fast follow ups for the second shot. To test my spare magazines I fired 20 rounds of Kent 3" No. 4 shot as fast as I can change magazines. That was a blast and all 20 rounds functioned without issue.
The Pros
- AR style controls
- reliability is excellent with heavier 2 3/4" loads and anything 3" that I have tried so far
- the cyclic rate seems really fast (I have limited semi auto experience to compare it to)
- field stripping is straight forward
- when loading a magazine with the bolt locked open the bolt release functioned perfectly and loaded the first round every time, no need to use the cocking handle
The Cons
- magazines do not drop free and must be pulled from the magazine well
- so far it does not function reliably with Federal 2 3/4" Target Loads (my standard 3 gun ammo)
- the bolt release sticks out quite far when it is engaged, if you place the shotgun down on a table to hard or pump it after it is placed down the bolt release can function closing the bolt. This could be a problem in stages where the shotgun needs to be abandoned with the bolt open. I have a couple of ideas to fix this.
- 5 round magazines - nothing can be done about this but I would love to run a 20 or 25 round magazine through it just to see how fast a mag dump could be done.
Once all these turkish mag fed semis start getting here we should get a few guys together that have them and do our own shootout review. The Derya mk10 vs br99 vs 1919 vs alpharms. I will be getting a 1919 match . If your in gta / peterborough / Durham I'm in.
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Too far for me to go. Our local store has only brought in different models of the BR99, the CL1, CL4 and CL 10 I think. I would love to have a chance to compare the others up close. First club 3 gun is in June so I guess I will have to wait to see what else shows up.
Hopefully some break-in will get it running on target loads. Otherwise, it will break your wallet.
Vortex Strikefire mounted. I also purchased a CL-4 flash eliminator that was ordered in for me. Cost $29.99 and I think it looks a lot better with it. It was likely a waste of money as I will probably use the shotgun with one of the chokes. Although I have a Remington 870 barrel with a choke it only has one. The BR99 is my first chance to test three different chokes to see which one I like best.
Another minor frustration is the rim of the shot shell gets hung up on the rim where the brass and the plastic meet on the shot shell body. High brass is a bit more of a problem. The solution is to stick your finger in the rear of the magazine and push down on the shell in the magazine while inserting the next shell into the magazine. I would guess this is the same with all magazine fed shotguns.
I wonder if a upLula loader will ever be available for 12 gauge magazines.
Like the title says, has anyone bought one of the Uzkon BR-99 semi auto shotguns? It does look awesome, but I refuse to be a guineau pig.
Someone can tell me what the brand of this yellow sling?
Thank you
