This is my point, Nothing in the first production is made in Canada. Nothing said on this thread says it ever will be made in Canada. It all hear say and why do I have to go to ricks shop. Just tell us your setup. If anyone wants to buy a ATR action I think the first ones will be very good. I am just wondering how good the "the made in Canada" one's will be?
ATRS actions
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This is my point, Nothing in the first production is made in Canada. Nothing said on this thread says it ever will be made in Canada. It all hear say and why do I have to go to ricks shop. Just tell us your setup. If anyone wants to buy a ATR action I think the first ones will be very good. I am just wondering how good the "the made in Canada" one's will be?
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THIS is a good question.
I started this project almost 1 year ago.
Going through what features I wanted to incorporate, making certain that all would work in harmony, and consulting with various sources who already make various actions. Once I was sure it would likely work, started to look at the logistics, to spend in excess of 100K on machines knowing that the market is small is something that needs consideration.
It took 5 months to get the machine.
We were delayed as the shop was built in 1963, having to bring in a 200 amp service to run the new machines, necessitated rewiring most of the shop to 2008 code, this took 2 more months.
Now that we have actually had the machines in place here for a couple of weeks, we are running simple programs, and with good success.
The particular steel I want to use is not commonly available in Canada so have had to order it from the US, with luck we will have the bar stock in another month.
Meanwhile with Glenns help we have drafted the programs to produce the actions, final prototypes are a few weeks away. Being as the initial run is being made in the US, the prototypes must be submitted to BATF.
Once they have blessed them, we can start production.
The initial production is for about 100 actions in assorted bolt faces and lengths.
Once we get the actions into Canada, we can then submit them to the RCMP for approval, they may or may not actually want to physically handle them, hopefully photos will be sufficient.
Once production starts here, we will be making runs of the various actions, so time will be greatly reduced, the goal is to have some of everything on hand.
Hope that kind of explains the time thing.
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BigUglyMan
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If you really want it to reflect your personality you could go with "Surly Old Fart"! Sounds nice and tactical if you call it the SOF but we'll all know the truth!
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OK let me spell it out for those who seem to be confused here.
ATRS will be building, IN CANADA the major components (action body and bolt) of the actions I have speced at some point in the very near future.. I won't say designed as I have not designed but taken the best features of many others actions and combined them. I would hate to be accused of not designing something new so freely admit I have not re invented the wheel here.
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If anyone wants to buy a ATR action I think the first ones will be very good. I am just wondering how good the "the made in Canada" one's will be?[/QUOTE]
They will be EXACTLY the same as the 1s machined in the U.S.
Are you implying that Canadian machinists are inferior???
Or is it that you believe everything U.S. made is better???
Or are you telling people you figure I am incompetent??
Careful now with your answer.
This is starting to get real thin. If you have any specific knowledge of what IS happening in my shop, post it, if not I think we have all had enough of your speculation and B.S..
I have offered you a tour of my shop, I can show you what I am able to do with the machines I have purchased. The reason for the open invitation is because I am sure if I post Makes and Model of machines or photos you will claim the photos could be from some other shop, posting machine data also proves nothing. Everyone has their idea of what is the best machine, truck, color, caliber ...You called me out remember. I am offering you all the proof you need that what I say IS happening here, you are the 1 back peddling.
If you want to see the action you pay for being made here in front of your eyes put your money where your mouth is! I would be happy to call you when your action is about to be made.
With all due respect to all the others who have been involved with this thread, I have had enough. I truly appreciate the support by most.
I will start a new thread once we have actions to show and put into peoples hands. I see no need to continually defend myself against a troll who obviously has some agenda or something to try and prove.
I am not sure how much more transparent I can be??
Regards
Rick
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If anyone wants to buy a ATR action I think the first ones will be very good. I am just wondering how good the "the made in Canada" one's will be?[/QUOTE]
They will be EXACTLY the same as the 1s machined in the U.S.
Are you implying that Canadian machinists are inferior???
Or is it that you believe everything U.S. made is better???
Or are you telling people you figure I am incompetent??
Careful now with your answer.
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No! read above I am just wondering how good the "made in Canada" will be. That is my right, to think the way I want, Not the way you want me to. I really don't care what goes on in your shop. If they are exactly like the ones made in the USA good for you. I not going to buy one of your actions anyway. I not going to go to you shop and see this top secret machine works and all the great great people working there. God what is your problem. Just want here and see what machines you have. If you send me false pictures that your problem, who cares. Your not the first company thats made an action in Canada.
Ya.. Im wondering why the machine set up has anything to do with anything. He wants to deliver a product, he put it out there to let us know hes doing it. Who cares how he gets it to us? His intentions are obviously 100% good..
Im using an IBM laptop to type this.. do you want me to send you a picture. It is my laptop, I didnt steal a picture from the net....
Grow up... you already said you arent interested in the product, why are you still here is what Im wondering?
Im using an IBM laptop to type this.. do you want me to send you a picture. It is my laptop, I didnt steal a picture from the net....
Grow up... you already said you arent interested in the product, why are you still here is what Im wondering?
That being the case, why the hell are you in this thread stirring up ####? Do us all a favour and take your pissy attitude elsewhere.
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Just want here and see what machines you have. [/QUOTE]
I am not a CNC machine expert but how does knowing which machine ATR uses makes any difference.
I always thought gunsmith is more an art rather than pure science.
To an untrained eye, having a CNC machine is like owning a Nissan Skyline in the garage. The machine can do many things in different configuration (i.e. the start and the end points are the same but the paths to reach there can be very different).
To me, the man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself. Owning a Ferrari does not mean I will drive like Michael Schumacher. However, if I were Michael Schumacher I can drive a VW and still beat many Porsche drivers in certain tracks.
Now lets get back on track!
Just want here and see what machines you have. [/QUOTE]
I am not a CNC machine expert but how does knowing which machine ATR uses makes any difference.
I always thought gunsmith is more an art rather than pure science.
To an untrained eye, having a CNC machine is like owning a Nissan Skyline in the garage. The machine can do many things in different configuration (i.e. the start and the end points are the same but the paths to reach there can be very different).
To me, the man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself. Owning a Ferrari does not mean I will drive like Michael Schumacher. However, if I were Michael Schumacher I can drive a VW and still beat many Porsche drivers in certain tracks.
Now lets get back on track!
I you call up Phoenix machine, they will tell you right away the machines they have. Look on the PTG web site they show there shop and equipment. It is important to any CNC machinist or programmer to know the capable of the machine to write a program. As well if the machine can hold .001 or a .0001 tolerance. Speed and rapids are important for cycle times. Spindle speed for tool planning. Google up a CNC shop in your area, If they don't list there equipment call them up, they will tell you.
Just want here and see what machines you have. [/QUOTE]
I am not a CNC machine expert but how does knowing which machine ATR uses makes any difference.
I always thought gunsmith is more an art rather than pure science.
To an untrained eye, having a CNC machine is like owning a Nissan Skyline in the garage. The machine can do many things in different configuration (i.e. the start and the end points are the same but the paths to reach there can be very different).
To me, the man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself. Owning a Ferrari does not mean I will drive like Michael Schumacher. However, if I were Michael Schumacher I can drive a VW and still beat many Porsche drivers in certain tracks.
Now lets get back on track![/QUOTE]
stock making is an art
Making an accurate rifle is science.
I am not a CNC machine expert but how does knowing which machine ATR uses makes any difference.
I always thought gunsmith is more an art rather than pure science.
To an untrained eye, having a CNC machine is like owning a Nissan Skyline in the garage. The machine can do many things in different configuration (i.e. the start and the end points are the same but the paths to reach there can be very different).
To me, the man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself. Owning a Ferrari does not mean I will drive like Michael Schumacher. However, if I were Michael Schumacher I can drive a VW and still beat many Porsche drivers in certain tracks.
Now lets get back on track![/QUOTE]
stock making is an art
Making an accurate rifle is science.
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Have you ever shot one of Rick's rifles?
Time for you to STFU until you have something useful to say, like the other children.
Time for you to STFU until you have something useful to say, like the other children.
Just want here and see what machines you have. [/QUOTE]
I am not a CNC machine expert but how does knowing which machine ATR uses makes any difference.
I always thought gunsmith is more an art rather than pure science.
To an untrained eye, having a CNC machine is like owning a Nissan Skyline in the garage. The machine can do many things in different configuration (i.e. the start and the end points are the same but the paths to reach there can be very different).
To me, the man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself. Owning a Ferrari does not mean I will drive like Michael Schumacher. However, if I were Michael Schumacher I can drive a VW and still beat many Porsche drivers in certain tracks.
Now lets get back on track![/QUOTE]
This is my point, I really don't care anymore about seeing or hearing about ATR's machines. I won't be using them anyway. I thought I might in the future. If they don't let my know what they have in machine tools as far as I'm concerned there isn't any. So I'm not convinced that any actions will be made in Canada.
I am not a CNC machine expert but how does knowing which machine ATR uses makes any difference.
I always thought gunsmith is more an art rather than pure science.
To an untrained eye, having a CNC machine is like owning a Nissan Skyline in the garage. The machine can do many things in different configuration (i.e. the start and the end points are the same but the paths to reach there can be very different).
To me, the man behind the machine is more important than the machine itself. Owning a Ferrari does not mean I will drive like Michael Schumacher. However, if I were Michael Schumacher I can drive a VW and still beat many Porsche drivers in certain tracks.
Now lets get back on track![/QUOTE]
This is my point, I really don't care anymore about seeing or hearing about ATR's machines. I won't be using them anyway. I thought I might in the future. If they don't let my know what they have in machine tools as far as I'm concerned there isn't any. So I'm not convinced that any actions will be made in Canada.
