Attention! Poco Gun club members! DON'T USE 10 ROUND LAR-15 MAGAZINE AT RANGE 7!

[Coyote Ugly]

unfortunately poco does have a rule stating that long guns may have a max of 5 rounds and handguns a max of 10.

you can see it on page 12 of their policy manual that is available off their website.....

but i still think we need to write letters to let them know these mags are legal. and that they should amend their rules. I just joined the club so this is something that will concern me in the future once I pick up my first ar.

What about the M1 Garand at 8 rounds and the Enfield at 10 rounds??? Both Legal. Is Poco your Friend or your Foe? (Or a Lie-beral in disguise?)

 

[Silverado]

That stinks.

If there is in fact a written rule/policy, then it would seem the only way to change it or have it amended would be through the membership process.

The fact however that the RO argued with you regarding the legality of the mags should be brought forward and corrected.

Or move to Alberta... J/K

 

[CanAm]

There needs to be a purge of these fools from clubs across the country. If you want change, you MUST run for the executive. Otherwise all the old farts with time on their hands will run the show. Then you end up with crazy. If you are 19 and want change - RUN FOR THE EXECUTIVE. At the very least attend all the exec meetings. I was 12 when I started shooting and attended all the meeting from about 15 on.

Also, don't let #######s push you around. You know you are right, so stand your ground. If some fool grabbed my guns, he would be in trouble.

PS please get these peoples names. Everyone posts about the "crazy RO" at the range. I want these guys outed. Name names.

I am very passionate about this issue as the poor member relations at many clubs is scaring away many new shooters, especially the young and women. Many of whom are not used to standing up for for themselves. If you see the RO tearing a strip off some young guy for a simple issue tell him to cool it. Don't just stand there thinking, "I'm glad that's not me".

 

[Craftsman 441]

unfortunately poco does have a rule stating that long guns may have a max of 5 rounds and handguns a max of 10.

you can see it on page 12 of their policy manual that is available off their website.....

but i still think we need to write letters to let them know these mags are legal. and that they should amend their rules. I just joined the club so this is something that will concern me in the future once I pick up my first ar.

How many people shoot Garands at this range? The magazine capacity is eight rounds, and this rifle is exempted from the five-round limit imposed by the law for other centerfire rifles. If it's ok to load and fire eight rounds from a legally permitted Garand, then it ought to be ok to load and fire ten rounds from a legally permitted LAR-15 magazine.

Also, good on you for keeping your cool. I would have been close to losing my mind with someone handling my kit without my permission.

 

[markl]

i've got my 10 rounders on order, when they come in i'll be heading to poco (with info on the law regarding them)

 

[Jarlath]

How many people shoot Garands at this range? The magazine capacity is eight rounds, and this rifle is exempted from the five-round limit imposed by the law for other centerfire rifles. If it's ok to load and fire eight rounds from a legally permitted Garand, then it ought to be ok to load and fire ten rounds from a legally permitted LAR-15 magazine.

I don't advocate the max 5 rule. BUT. You can get 5 round enbloc clips (and less) for a garand. Yes they are readily available and they were specifically made for range and match use (limited round counts). You don't have to load an Enfield to 10 every time you reload so using the this gun is non-restricted and holds more than 5 legally doesn't wash with local club rules. Same as using a revolver with one less than max capacity for the "added" safety of a firing pin over empty chambers. It CAN hold more, but you don't have to load to max. (lever actions are a prime example of being able to load past 5 shots).

 

[the judge]

This is the same sort of bull#### that made me leave Mission Rod and Gun after ten years of membership. The ####tard caretaker seems he can make up rules as he wants, and some of the rifle committee members were less than cooperative and friendly as well to me when shooting an AR or VZ58. I shoot at Ridegdale now,and have done so happily without incident for over a year now.

 

[Deckard]

The sad thing is that these apparachnik feel comfort in enforcing the rules of their masters. There resolute "correctness" in this matter constitutes their smugness.

 

[skeetgunner]

The solution is not a letter. The solution is to simply vote them out at the AGM.

Unless these guys are appointed for life, it should be possible to run a new slate, ammend the club bylaws and dispense with these turkeys.

 

[Silverback]

Would a Ruger 10/22 with a 10 or 25 round magazine be banned at this range too?

 

[PudCan]

A few quotes from the Range policy manual:

5) Number of Rounds
a) Longarms may be loaded to a maximum of five rounds. Handguns may be
loaded to a maximum of ten rounds.

6) Range Warden: Safety
a) Safety is understood to be of prime importance. All shooters are required to
accept the instructions of the Range Warden. In the event of a dispute the
Range Warden is the final authority. Shooters not complying with the direction or
decision of the Range Warden may be requested to leave the range.

7) Grievances
a) Grievances with regard to range procedures must be given in writing to the
Committee Chairman or Range Warden. The Committee Chairman or Range
Warden will be required to present their grievance to the Executive Committee at the next Executive Meeting.
11) Privileges Revoked
a) Any person or persons who refuse to comply with any of the range rules will
have their range privileges revoked.

 

[Ken The Kanuck]

Well 2 things first of all it would appear that it is a written rule put into effect by the legally elected committee who makes up this sort of stuff. If you don't like it get political, get involved and change the rules, ban blue jeans and fannel shirts and 30.06's if that is what your heart truly desires. Basically quit your whining and #####ing just because you don't like it, do some thing or shut up.

Next, I have been at POCO shooting my CZ75 with a perfectly legal 10 round clip and have been asked only to load 5 rounds in it. Why I asked? I was told that there were a bunch of newbies also shooting and they had been told only to load 5 as the range master was more comfortable with trying to maintain a safe place for us when the clips only held 5 rounds. Is it safer? I don't know, but I respect his experience and only loaded 5. Later when the range quieted down I asked if we could go back to 10 and he said sure.

I guess you might not always like the rules, so your choice is to get involved and change them ( which requires a lot of work and effort ) or to ##### and whine ( which requires very little of either which probably explains the latters popularity )

KTK

 

[PudCan]

10 round AR mag

I have some of the 10 round LAR mags, and I believe the Range Warden should of let you use them as long as you only load 5 rounds per the Range rules.

(Although they do not seem to have a problem when I load my 25 round mags for my 10/22). But the Range Warden has the final word, unless you grieve a rule for a vote.

I have not found POCO to be "Anti AR" in any way. I have even seen one of the Wardens bring his AR out for show. If anything I do get some "looky lews" asking questions, but being polite and friendly goes a long way.

With the shortage of ranges available, I believe we need to follow the set rules and support what little we have left.

I also agree that if you want the Range rules changed....then run for the executive and/or grieve the rule for a vote.

Also someone said take the RUC and go shoot at the private ranges, but keep in mind that that other ranges are for Handgun and Shotgun ONLY.

Just my 2cents.

 

[PudCan]

+1 Ken the Kanuck

I'll be blasting all kind of toys tomorrow...and I know that as long as I act responsibly, I won't get hassled using any of my "Evil stuff".

 

[Shack07]

You know, I am so happy with my range when I hear these types of stories. I am a range officer at my range, it is the only way I can go down and get in at anytime I want. I shoot what I want when I want. I have never had a problem with any other member and I don't believe any member has had a problem with me. I was down there with some LEO friends and loaded up a full-auto Uzi and had at it, or a 30 round AUG mag no one said boo. I do love the freedom down there. It is an outdoor range so that might make it a bit different.

 

[PudCan]

All the POCO ranges are "outdoors" with covered lanes to keep us dry in rain central

 

[Max Power]

Wow. After the episode Six Star had last year with his 'full-auto' AR this confirms my decision not to renew my membership at Poco. I took the 'friggen RUC' and half the time I went, the RO wouldn't open 3, 4 ,5 or 6 so I ended up shooting on range 7 anyway. Oh, and judging by my experience, I wouldn't expect much support from Murray on this issue.

I'm with you....PoCo is a waste of time. If it isn't the half a dozen idiots shooting at any given time, the RO will do his best to take all the enjoyment out of shooting. The last time I said never again. Way too crowded most of the time anyway...

As far as the RUC is concerned, there are no rifle calibers allowed on the lower ranges. Good thing that John pointed that out before I signed up. I like shooting the AR and handgun when I go, so it doesn't work for me.

The episode SixStar went through was what led me to finally say 'no mas'. I don't feel like dealing with the RCMP when I go to an approved range. At this rate they will run that club into the ground well in advance of the lease expiring. Truly sad to see....

 

[PudCan]

Yes Max....I agree that what you say may be true, and who knows will happen when the lease expires, but we gotta shoot somewhere. For me the more ranges open the better. I sometimes shoot other ranges for a change of scenery.

I try to support them all...even if they have very stiff rules(eg.North Van. pistol/.22lr only/closed 5 days a week). The main thing is to get out and try to have fun how ever we can. I mean....I used to think I'd like to drive around in my car at a hundred miles an hour all the time, but there are rules for that too. Cheers

 

[PaveHammer]

That's what you get for going to a range with a dumb name!

Seriously, though, that's ridiculous. Get involved, as some of the other members here have said. Problems with RO's come up on here every couple of weeks.

 

[Six Star]

Well 2 things first of all it would appear that it is a written rule put into effect by the legally elected committee who makes up this sort of stuff.

Fair enough! But...that was NOT the approach made to the member by the Range Warden(s), who could quite simply have advised the member that there was a 5 round magazine rule in effect on the PoCo range. End of story. Instead, they decided to enforce what they considered to be THE LAW using ignorance and arrogance.

If you don't like it get political, get involved and change the rules, ban blue jeans and fannel shirts and 30.06's if that is what your heart truly desires. Basically quit your whining and #####ing just because you don't like it, do some thing or shut up.

Heh heh...sorry Ken...I wasn't describing you with my plaid shirt, jeans and .30-'06 comment..I tend to forget that's what you look like. I was speaking allegorically, and recognize that you're a great advocate of all shooting sports and shooting people, regardless of which type of firearm/sport they pursue.

Next, I have been at POCO shooting my CZ75 with a perfectly legal 10 round clip and have been asked only to load 5 rounds in it. Why I asked? I was told that there were a bunch of newbies also shooting and they had been told only to load 5 as the range master was more comfortable with trying to maintain a safe place for us when the clips only held 5 rounds. Is it safer? I don't know, but I respect his experience and only loaded 5. Later when the range quieted down I asked if we could go back to 10 and he said sure.

Again, fair enough! I would do the same if the RW asked me to download my mags in the interest of "group safety"...like you, I would question to myself the merits of the request, but I would comply.

I guess you might not always like the rules, so your choice is to get involved and change them ( which requires a lot of work and effort ) or to ##### and whine ( which requires very little of either which probably explains the latters popularity )

Again, fair enough! I choose to simply stay away from PoCo.