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I and several brave others have done so and continue to do so.. Funny.. we apparently are the only ones with the balls to do so..
How sad for the rest of you that refuse to fight back against their BS...
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I and several brave others have done so and continue to do so.. Funny.. we apparently are the only ones with the balls to do so..
How sad for the rest of you that refuse to fight back against their BS...
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Not true.. they email it on request and even on the phone they can simply give you the # for it while a copy is sent via other methods and it is still legal. They MUST abide by what Parliament said as much as they do not want to.
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It is.. and Rod is a good guy,.. but it is flawed with some misinformation. (I'm already talking w/him to correct this aspect so be patient)
call it what you like... I have never had any problems with CFO in NB.. i have heard some crazy things about Ont CFO.. but in NB she runs smooth.... if your being met with BS when you deal with them maybe its your approach!.... i dont think its brave to challenge the CFO... theres a few words that come to mind... brave is not 1 of them.
Chief Firearms Officers
"There is a Chief Firearms Officer for each Province and Territory. The Chief Firearms Officers are responsible for the ....decision-making.... and administrative work related to licences, authorizations to transport and authorizations to carry, transfers of firearms by individuals and businesses, and gun show sponsorship approvals.
This involves determining an applicant's eligibility and either issuing, refusing to issue, renewing or revoking the licence, authorization to transport, carry, transfer or sponsor. It also involves setting conditions on these documents."
so seeing how they are tasked with the decision-making at approving ATTs...... challenging them seems silly...
"#1 NOT legally required.... Maybe not but it seems to be some CFOs POLICY... and we all know "POLICY IS NOT LAW" did you ever go in to a store and see a sign that said NO SHIRT NO SERVICE.. thats a store POLICY.... its not a LAW.. but its still the POLICY of the store.. CFO has POLICYs..
"#2 Not true.. there is nothing at all within the law that says you must own a restricted/prohibited firearm to get an ATT".......
can you tell us why anyone would want an ATT if they dont own a restricted firearm? maybe if they wanted to borrow 1... but that would be rare.
Maybe someone is planning on buyimg a restricted and just wants to get that step out of the way.
Funny you say that, because I have just gone through the process of getting my long term Att and I had to provide a letter from my gun club to prove purpose or my application or it would be voided ! I told them many people are saying you do not have to belong to a club and the RCMP wrote back that they only have one policy in place and you must belong to a club. Clear as mud !!
Policy =/= law
There has been more than one court case fought about this and we won. The reason they still insist on this is people refuse to fight it, they bend over and say thank you.
Shawn
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#1 A Store can make up it's own policy and enforce it as they wish as a rule. They are PRIVATELY owned.. The CFO however is a civil servant whom is pair by US.. and MUST abide by the directives and laws put in place that govern their actions by parliament. Those are very different things to say the least therefore your analogy is (no offense) useless. To hold the CFO to the law is what we all NEED and should be doing.. not bending over and taking it up the ass for whatever whim the CFO has to create "policy". Remember policy is not law.. and those trying to force us to abide by their whims do not make law. To do anything less makes you a part of the problem.
#2 Sure.. what if I have an RPAL and I want to borrow X friends AR to go shooting with? Or how about his Glock or Beretta etc etc... all of which are perfectly LEGAL activities. You sadly do not understand the entire "ATT" is bull#### intend to frustrate us while forcing us all to pay ######s like wyatt to "enforce" crap that does zero good other than to persecute US
Oh and borrowing is not that rare.. but the lunacy of the ATT and wyatts bull#### (in bantario) make it effectively illegal and that must be fought.. since it is again not law
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That as well.. or how about those that go to a gun show and buy X... but the way the ATTs are gimped by wyatt (and others) it makes it impossible to do so at the time in essence.
Time more of you all grew a set.
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Clear as mud indeed... but did you tell them show me where in the law that is required? I doubt it.. since they cannot and therefore if they try such crap they must refuse and that can only be done as per the FA (s.72).. which is in writing and including a copy of s.72 (but not s.74 sadly)
https://nfa.ca/resource-items/document-refusal-and-revocation
Read and learn please.
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Hey stranger.. huge understatement and well said at the same time
I've been in this fight for years now.. and I'm very sick and tired of the apathetic #######s daring to say they are "firearms owners" when in reality they are sheeple bending over for the CFOs with the sad delusion they "own" the firearms at all. Proof? See the debacle out west for starters and the fact that we do not have property rights at all period. (Not to mention the other aspects of this fight)
So here is my experience in get an LATT up north. Find out RPAL is approved (Not received) walk into office and ask process for getting LATT, Officer asks for RPAL I explain it was only approved this morning, No problem PAL will work, have a seat, 15 min later walked out of office with LATT. Not only that he said he was sorry as he could only issue for five years and the would not coinside with the expiry of my new RPAL.
While I think the rules suck I cannot fault the office up here for service. They answered all my newbie questions and were quite helpful.
Same for my SATT, once transfer approved walked in and walked out in 15 minutes.
While I think the rules suck I cannot fault the office up here for service. They answered all my newbie questions and were quite helpful.
Same for my SATT, once transfer approved walked in and walked out in 15 minutes.
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Sounds like you found a very good officer/office with common sense.. sadly a more rare thing anymore.
But the question there is officer/office of what since ATTs etc are issued only by the CFO or the CFC for those provinces that did not elect to have a CFO of their own. Given the fact you list yourself as being in BC as well there most definitely is a CFO there though I have not checked exactly where their office is located.
I've been reading bits and pieces of this thread, but still don't seem to have a clear answer on a question I have in mind...
I live in Ontario, just got my RPAL/PAL last year, and I'm looking to puchase a handgun.
I don't yet belong to a club or range, so will I be able to get an ATT to transport the gun from my local dealer to my home??
Not really planning on buying ammo just yet, until I find a range that's convenient and close to home.
Realistically, I just want to familiarize myself with the mechanics of the gun and practice holding it...so I don't look like a doink when I get to the range.
I live in Ontario, just got my RPAL/PAL last year, and I'm looking to puchase a handgun.
I don't yet belong to a club or range, so will I be able to get an ATT to transport the gun from my local dealer to my home??
Not really planning on buying ammo just yet, until I find a range that's convenient and close to home.
Realistically, I just want to familiarize myself with the mechanics of the gun and practice holding it...so I don't look like a doink when I get to the range.
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I've been reading bits and pieces of this thread, but still don't seem to have a clear answer on a question I have in mind...
I live in Ontario, just got my RPAL/PAL last year, and I'm looking to puchase a handgun.
I don't yet belong to a club or range, so will I be able to get an ATT to transport the gun from my local dealer to my home??
Not really planning on buying ammo just yet, until I find a range that's convenient and close to home.
Realistically, I just want to familiarize myself with the mechanics of the gun and practice holding it...so I don't look like a doink when I get to the range.
YES... no requirement for membership at all for purchasing/registering and or transporting is required and NO the CFO cannot refuse either one for this regardless of how much he wants to or whatever BS "policy" they have.
If they give you any grief let me know.
Also.. ammo is irrelevant.. no ATT ever needed for that at all.. so keep an eye open for a good sale on what you want/need.
So I am going through an ATT fight with the Ontario CFO with some documentation helpfully provided by Meadowmuffin and Shalimar. They insist that the LTATT applications be submitted by my club. I have now been forwarded to the Supervisor of Clubs and Ranges who I am told can issue or refuse the ATT application. So far they will neither issue a refusal nor an ATT.
While my club is also pursuing an ATT on my behalf (as required by the CFO) I am curious to see how the ATT applications are going to processed without my having seen the forms, the conditions or having endorsed the application. I'd think that a legal document such as an ATT application would need my signature to be valid.
While my club is also pursuing an ATT on my behalf (as required by the CFO) I am curious to see how the ATT applications are going to processed without my having seen the forms, the conditions or having endorsed the application. I'd think that a legal document such as an ATT application would need my signature to be valid.
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Ok.. #1.. they can "insist" all they want.. but they MUST by law process your application by law and either issue what was asked for or issue the written refusal. Do not even waste your time involving clubs at all.. they have zero authority about ATTs regardless of whatever BS someone has told you.
All you need to do when they "insist" is quote them the information gave you earlier and they MUST abide by that. Anything less is a violation of the law. They try it again and deamand it in writing.. they will back down right quick since they do not want to issue anything in writing showing their actions being illegal. Oh and legally you can record them as well which is permissible in court
And yes.. an ATT application does require your signature.. as per the forms set up by parliament in the first place.
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First time restricted owner here, in the process of acquiring first pistol. The item is currently residing at the seller's place, and it sounds like the CFO is going to want me to submit evidence of club membership before they will approve the ATT to get it to me.
I'd rather like to kick them in the teeth over this, seeing as I need do nothing of the sort. Any recommended reading or advice for the coming fight?
I'd rather like to kick them in the teeth over this, seeing as I need do nothing of the sort. Any recommended reading or advice for the coming fight?
