And just for the record I am not a LEO. I am in the military, but have/do train with, patrol with and work with 3 police forces.
Shawn
ATT's what you need to know
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And just for the record I am not a LEO. I am in the military, but have/do train with, patrol with and work with 3 police forces.
Shawn
Great. Now that we've moved past that,
Can you answer my question?
Can I pick it up from a trip to the range, if it is in all cases a reasonably direct route with my valid ATT?
Lets say for the sake of argument it isn't a new gun, but one returning from repairs?
I think I should be able to do that. I know that you need a STATT to move any new restricted. Doesn't your LTATT cover transportation of your currently owned restricteds to, and from the range, or gunsmith?
Whether they be picked up on the way or not is the question.
Can you answer my question?
Can I pick it up from a trip to the range, if it is in all cases a reasonably direct route with my valid ATT?
Lets say for the sake of argument it isn't a new gun, but one returning from repairs?
I think I should be able to do that. I know that you need a STATT to move any new restricted. Doesn't your LTATT cover transportation of your currently owned restricteds to, and from the range, or gunsmith?
Whether they be picked up on the way or not is the question.
Standard ATT. To, and from all approved ranges, gunsmiths, and border crossings BC, and Yukon.
Should he good to pick up on the way to, or back.
This raises another issue though.
Transportation must be trigger locked, and in a sturdy locked opaque case, or container. Not easily broken into.
A typical shipping cardboard box satisfies none of this. As well, you would have to open it to make sure it was trigger locked, which breaks the law against opening it up between destinations.
I do actually know the law Shawn, however it is confusing to the best of us.
Including Canada's finest.
Should he good to pick up on the way to, or back.
This raises another issue though.
Transportation must be trigger locked, and in a sturdy locked opaque case, or container. Not easily broken into.
A typical shipping cardboard box satisfies none of this. As well, you would have to open it to make sure it was trigger locked, which breaks the law against opening it up between destinations.
I do actually know the law Shawn, however it is confusing to the best of us.
Including Canada's finest.
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Sadly no that is not 'standard'... it is a semi-ungimped version only. Long story.. but suffice to say that is better than typical in some areas despite the fact that the LAW is not applied the same everywhere in Canada due to ######s like Wyatt.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5158899&postcount=24
See this for a properly ungimped version which should have been "standard" if ANY att at all was ever issued. (needless to say the ATTs are BS intended to piss us off etc)
Indeed and that is one more example of how poorly written (or intentionally written) the law is.. since you cannot legally open the package at the post office.. nor can you legally transport it w/o verifying that it meets the requirements of the law. This has been discussed a bunch of times on CGN and elsewhere. it's again an intentional catch 22.. designed to f' you over in essence even though it would not stand up in court. aka Punishment by process.
A question...
I have a few handguns already and belong to a gun club.
If I just picked up a new handgun from the store, and
have an ATT from store (govt) to take home, can I take
this gun to the range tonight, WITHOUT the registration
which I will not probably get for a week or two from the
CFR? I'm talking about the cream coloured/light brown reg
paper that has the tear off piece...
Thanx!
Keith
I have a few handguns already and belong to a gun club.
If I just picked up a new handgun from the store, and
have an ATT from store (govt) to take home, can I take
this gun to the range tonight, WITHOUT the registration
which I will not probably get for a week or two from the
CFR? I'm talking about the cream coloured/light brown reg
paper that has the tear off piece...
Thanx!
Keith
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No such thing
The transport locations are listed in three lines:
From: Dook's house
To: all approved ranges, gunsmiths, and border crossings crossings BC, Yukon
Return too: Dook's house
It could be argued easily that no he cant as the pistol never started at Dook's house. The wording and intent is clear, your ATT is for you to take restricteds at your house to the places listed and returning to your house. No other places, no other guns.
What law is that care to post it? Not to mention non trigger locked/cardboard box is only acceptable for bussiness not if its coming from an indivdual.
Care to post this law?
Its not illegal to open it at the post office, its just not a good idea.
Shawn
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#1 you have just described a semi-gimped ATT... not an ungimped one but still more permissive than the BS issued in Bantario and elsewhere.
As for the law.. if a restricted firearm is in transport it MUST be trigger locked and locked within a secure container etc etc as you know. To have the firearm outside of those conditions is contrary to the FA.
It's absurd and beyond stupid since you cannot verify that the firearm is meeting such conditions without opening such first and if necessary changing the conditions. However to do so is a violation of the law.. aka a catch 22
Simply put and what is commonly "accepted" (including by leading legal authorities on the FA such as EB) is you do NOT open the package anywhere that is not legal for you to do so. Since the post office is not your home/range etc etc.. then such is NOT legal and therefore anyone doing such could very easily be arrested or worse. However if you take the SEALED package home with the ATT valid for that trip then you are in essence immune to prosecution if it is not trigger locked since to have verified that personally you would be willfully violating the actual LAW..
As for the rest.. I assume you really have not read all of the FA and the sheer lunacy it contains.. and believe me and many others.. it was written that way intentionally so it can and has been abused against us.
Oh and all of this has as I pointed out before been stated many times on CGN and elsewhere... the search function is handy for finding things most of the time.
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No you can't since if you do not have the registration cert with you for the res/prophib you cannot legally transport it regardless of your ATT.
Again insanely moronic.. but it was written that way intentionally to make such far more of a PITA for US..
Again insanely moronic.. but it was written that way intentionally to make such far more of a PITA for US..
Ahh, but it did originate from DOOK's house. From Dook's house, to gunsmith, to original seller, to gunsmith for warrantee repairs, back to post office, to DOOK's house.
You can argue semantics, legality, morality. At the end of the day, as has been said many times, by many people,
The law is an ass.
It makes no sense, it serves no public safety purpose. It serve no purpose at all except just another thing to trip up otherwise law abiding folks. I understand it is your mandate to uphold, and support the law as written.
Does not make it right. Only correct.
Yep... That's what I figured. Crazy. Thank you!
Good luck with that lol. Not to mention you changed the scenario to suit your argument, we were talking about picking up a new firearm from the post office. And it still wouldn't fly as the post office is not listed as one of the location you could transport to and from.
The law is nothing but semantics.
What are you talkin about Willis?
And correct is all I care about, especially when being incorrect gets me federal pound me in the ass prison time with mandatory minimums.
Shawn
"Great. Now that we've moved past that,
Can you answer my question?
Can I pick it up from a trip to the range, if it is in all cases a reasonably direct route with my valid ATT?
Let's say for the sake of argument it isn't a new gun, but one returning from repairs?
I think I should be able to do that. I know that you need a STATT to move any new restricted. Doesn't your LTATT cover transportation of your currently owned restricteds to, and from the range, or gunsmith?
Whether they be picked up on the way or not is the question.
Yes, I changed the original question, but you were responding to mine. Thus, your answer should have reflected said changes.
However, I don't wish to argue with you about this Shawn. Clearly, your answers are educated, and correct. Although from a slightly different viewpoint.
I think we should be able to pick up our legally owned, registered, licenced property from the post office without fear of mandatory sanctions from our government based upon legislation designed to confuse, and confound law abiding citizens, police, and courts alike.
That is my viewpoint.
In the meantime, we all struggle to comply. One ear over the shoulder.
Can you answer my question?
Can I pick it up from a trip to the range, if it is in all cases a reasonably direct route with my valid ATT?
Let's say for the sake of argument it isn't a new gun, but one returning from repairs?
I think I should be able to do that. I know that you need a STATT to move any new restricted. Doesn't your LTATT cover transportation of your currently owned restricteds to, and from the range, or gunsmith?
Whether they be picked up on the way or not is the question.
Yes, I changed the original question, but you were responding to mine. Thus, your answer should have reflected said changes.
However, I don't wish to argue with you about this Shawn. Clearly, your answers are educated, and correct. Although from a slightly different viewpoint.
I think we should be able to pick up our legally owned, registered, licenced property from the post office without fear of mandatory sanctions from our government based upon legislation designed to confuse, and confound law abiding citizens, police, and courts alike.
That is my viewpoint.
In the meantime, we all struggle to comply. One ear over the shoulder.
Either way the answer is still no. You are not transporting it to a gunsmith you are transporting it to the post office to post it. Why you are mailing it or picking it up at the post office irrelevant, you are still transporting it to or from the post office.
The bottom line is what you or I think the law should be or what we should be able to do means nothing. Its what the law says that matters, that is my view point.
Shawn
Be careful, Bro!!!
"I think we should be able to" does not have legs to stand in a court of law!
Keith
"I think we should be able to" does not have legs to stand in a court of law!
Keith
So apparently when you buy a 'restricted firearm' from a store, even when they call you with an ATT to get it home, you can't take it home because you don't have a registration ... so does this mean you have to wait for your registration in the mail before you can go and pick up your new restricted arm at the store? Guess I've broken the law over the years...
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more like 24 months in Bantario etc......
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Depends on what you mean by "even when they call you with an ATT to get it home"...
Well, when the store calls and says "Come on in to pick your Sig up" - then they give you the sheet of paper which says you can transport the gun from the store to your home address... My latest handgun was the next day after I bought it. Two weeks ago. I picked it up, but I still haven't got my "registration" in the mail. I got thinking yesterday and called the CFO, "if you get caught" with the firearm and no registration with it, HUGE trouble!
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