Sunchild2071
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Glen Park, AB
BCL 102 Complaints/Whining Thread
- Thread starter DiabeticKripple
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- Location
- Red Deer, Alberta
I could be wrong, but from what I have gathered they just Ceracoat the raw aluminium parts. I imagine this is a cost saving issue / time issue. I personally would like to see them anodized. I don't recall if the parts are 6061 or 7075, they are definitely not forged as was initially thought.
Does anyone else recall the NEA anodizing discussions about colour when they first came out? lol
Hey Jerry,
As concerned to the MH, can you venture to say where this inconsistentsy in accuracy stems from?
Is it. receiver flex, mating, lock up, barrel quality or what? These are supposed to have match grade barrels and be of custom grade build. Yet only seem to be capable of 1.5 to 2 moa accuracy.
It's really quite disappointing from a consumer point of view when Ricks original hype was .5 to .75 MOA and scoffed at the meager accuracy of other rifles only getting 1.5 to 2 moa.
I'd have to say ATRS was expecting much better accuracy initially. ..what went wrong?
- Location
- calgary alberta
We have a large number of MH owners who have reported getting .5 to .75 MOA groups on a regular basis. We also have some owners who struggle to get 2 MOA and frankly we are at a loss as to why. The guns for the most part are identical apart from the furniture. A match grade barrel "should" be the same quality as only 3 suppliers were used.
Strangely some rifles that were reported to shoot poorly by a client, were sold and the new owner is having stellar success in accuracy.
Reciever flex would be unlikely as the MH uppers and lowers are heavier than mil spec type AR10s are.
Lock up is more positive and has less movement between the upper and lower than a conventional AR does.
We too are wondering how the same gun can perform less than stellar in 1 owners hands yet shoot well in another other than shooting form.
Some clients report round 4 or 5 as always being a flier, as Jerry found and others do not experience this.
andrew3081
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- Location
- Vancouver, BC
You mad.
well, I sold mine.
won't be coming back until SFRC/BCL adopt some better business practices.
So many concerns...
Why make a "NR AR" if you you're not going to publish exactly in which ways your rifle is an AR and in which ways it is not? Why did you make "preorder 1" owners guess and check parts? What was the point? All of these specs were known long before a gun was ever produced. Why not provide this incredibly pertinent information to your buyers? Literally reason #1 in purchasing an AR rifle is to take advantage of it's extremely large aftermarket.
Why make a "NR AR" if you are only going to sell complete rifles? You may as well have just made another proprietary gun if you're not going to give buyers any other choice but to buy your "AR" in exactly one configuration.
Why not publish the "preorder 2" changes at the time they were made in drawings? The changes would have been made and signed off on well before any production started. The half ass "yeah the pre-order 2 guns will have ambi safety and some other stuff" isn't an acceptable communication from business to customer.
If BCL/SFRC did this right, they could have had guns in the hands of 500+ people by now. They could have put all machine time towards milling receiver sets, pump them out non-stop, ship the receiver sets (painted or unpainted) to retailers all over the country, where guns could be assembled with the surplus of AR parts sitting around on shelves, tested, and sold.
Instead it's been nearly half a year since pre-orders started and like 70 people have pre-order 1 guns, and SFRC is sitting on 1000+ unfilled orders. Pre-order 2 was delayed for months by some production bottleneck. Not only that but BCL has shown their hand, and other retailers are moving in on the market. We now know what it takes to get a "NR AR" approved, and MacDef with their SLR and I'm sure many others moving in on the market.
I wouldn't be surprised if MacDef has more guns in the hands of people by the same time next year. They've shown that they understand the market, and know how to scale their production. They have 10% down pre-orders setup at many major retailers across the country, who will assist in final assembly, testing, and sales. None of this "exclusive retailer" bottleneck. They understand their role - produce the one proprietary component they designed as fast as possible, then let consumers decide what they want to do with their receivers, using an existing surplus of components in the market to their advantage.
I don't know whether to attribute BCL/SFRCs decisions to greed, or just incompetence. I'm siding with the former, because it's no secret there is a ton of money to be made selling ~$700 of milled parts assembled with $200 of chinese components for 100% markup.
but i'm just a "whiner" and due to our current firearms market there is not shortage of customers lining up to thank SFRC for the privilege of taking their money for a chance at a indeterminate rifle. If they tried to get away with this in the US, they would have been chewed up and spit out, entirely laughed out of the market.
won't be coming back until SFRC/BCL adopt some better business practices.
So many concerns...
Why make a "NR AR" if you you're not going to publish exactly in which ways your rifle is an AR and in which ways it is not? Why did you make "preorder 1" owners guess and check parts? What was the point? All of these specs were known long before a gun was ever produced. Why not provide this incredibly pertinent information to your buyers? Literally reason #1 in purchasing an AR rifle is to take advantage of it's extremely large aftermarket.
Why make a "NR AR" if you are only going to sell complete rifles? You may as well have just made another proprietary gun if you're not going to give buyers any other choice but to buy your "AR" in exactly one configuration.
Why not publish the "preorder 2" changes at the time they were made in drawings? The changes would have been made and signed off on well before any production started. The half ass "yeah the pre-order 2 guns will have ambi safety and some other stuff" isn't an acceptable communication from business to customer.
If BCL/SFRC did this right, they could have had guns in the hands of 500+ people by now. They could have put all machine time towards milling receiver sets, pump them out non-stop, ship the receiver sets (painted or unpainted) to retailers all over the country, where guns could be assembled with the surplus of AR parts sitting around on shelves, tested, and sold.
Instead it's been nearly half a year since pre-orders started and like 70 people have pre-order 1 guns, and SFRC is sitting on 1000+ unfilled orders. Pre-order 2 was delayed for months by some production bottleneck. Not only that but BCL has shown their hand, and other retailers are moving in on the market. We now know what it takes to get a "NR AR" approved, and MacDef with their SLR and I'm sure many others moving in on the market.
I wouldn't be surprised if MacDef has more guns in the hands of people by the same time next year. They've shown that they understand the market, and know how to scale their production. They have 10% down pre-orders setup at many major retailers across the country, who will assist in final assembly, testing, and sales. None of this "exclusive retailer" bottleneck. They understand their role - produce the one proprietary component they designed as fast as possible, then let consumers decide what they want to do with their receivers, using an existing surplus of components in the market to their advantage.
I don't know whether to attribute BCL/SFRCs decisions to greed, or just incompetence. I'm siding with the former, because it's no secret there is a ton of money to be made selling ~$700 of milled parts assembled with $200 of chinese components for 100% markup.
but i'm just a "whiner" and due to our current firearms market there is not shortage of customers lining up to thank SFRC for the privilege of taking their money for a chance at a indeterminate rifle. If they tried to get away with this in the US, they would have been chewed up and spit out, entirely laughed out of the market.
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My MH is shooting about 1 moa fairly consistently, I'm sure it could do better if I put some more effort into load development but I'm using Hornady SST projectiles so I can hunt with it if I choose to and I'd say that the flyers I experience are more likely my fault than the rifles fault. I'm sure that with some higher quality projectiles and maybe a different powder along with someone better than I am behind the trigger the rifle would perform consistently sub 1 moa.
I've said it many times and since Rick has even mentioned that in one persons hands a rifle wouldn't shoot better than 2 moa then they sell it and it magically shoots 1 moa or less for the new owner that it's more related to the person behind the trigger than the rifle itself.
People don't realize how hard it is to consistently shoot sub moa, especially with a semi auto. Just because a person buys a rifle capable of it doesn't mean they'll see it perform to it's peak, ammo selection, shooter ability, ambient conditions all factor in.
Just like if they put you in a formula one race car and put you in a race, the car is capable of winning but you're going to be the limiting factor and chances are high that you'll hit the wall on the outside of the first corner. Also keep in mind that many of the guys complaining about the accuracy later let slip that they were not using quality ammo so back to the race car analogy you're now running on regular unleaded and the computer is retarding your ignition to prevent detonation which further handicaps your car.
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Agree completely
Did they dump the "match" chamber?
If they're not going to put it behind a match grade barrel all it does is make the rifle picky on ammo. Please don't try to tell us this is a match grade barrel, we've seen the range reports from the first batch. Medium contour and fluting does not make it match grade.
Looking good though, I hope they are reliable.
Oh wait, this is the complaining thread, It's too shiny. Lol.
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Outcast
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I finally found the specs and changes BCL made to the rifle.
Exactly as I suspected, this "new" rifle should be way better. Hopefully they learn to use their machining equipment and make them all the right way.
- Location
- Fort St John B.C.
yeah, alot of people sold for profit......
Blows my mind how desperate some people are for a non restricted 308 semi. Why would anyone pay more than they sell for new when all you have to do is order one and wait for a couple months to have a brand new one. It is even more insane that people would pay more than retail considering all the reports of problems from the first batch.
Wake up people, it's just a rifle, not like it's the only non restricted semi on the market.
I'll pay anything, just take my money! Stupid.
- Location
- Republic of Alberta
Lol this was the funniest part about the high end MH when I had mine. It never went for the upgrade but the "upgrade" was a mickey mouse fix at best.
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