So in a nutshell you shot thrown loads and anally measured loads out to 800 or 900 and couldn’t tell the difference!
How can that be? Everyone knows you have to measure to the nearest 1/1000th of a grain to get accuracy………..(sarcasm)
Beam powder scales vs cheap digital scales vs powder scoop
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How can that be? Everyone knows you have to measure to the nearest 1/1000th of a grain to get accuracy………..(sarcasm)
Don't forget, the test involved a sling'n'irons rifles, not an Fclass rifle, but the test is certainly valid If one throws in the wind / shooter factor.
Cat
I don't need google to lnow what is required to certify accuracy because i worked for decades with instrumentation and measurement devices requiring annual recertification.
A bathroom scale accuracy certainly could be legally certified if you wanted. The degree of accuracy would not be as high but it would be suitable for the intended usage and the certification would reflect that.
The term "accurate" is dependant on the degree of accuracy required for a task.
So my question again is what did you mean when you said none of the scales talked about were "accurate", in a thread about casual 50 yd plinking?
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This is exactly what was said. It isn't going to matter what was typed, you're going to go on about it. You're a certifying and calibration expert?
It was said it was unlikely, not impossible. There is that reading thing again.
You are a scale certifier now? If so, then you'd know that most bathroom scales would not meet spec for certification. I'm sure you could find one if you looked hard enough, If that's what it takes to make you feel better, then go with that.
Nothing answered had to do specifically with 50-yard plinking, nor has most of the discussion on the thread.
Go after the other fellers about what thrown charges and shooting at 300m and so on has to do specifically with 50-yard plinking? It's not just this guy. What in the heck has any of your own spew had to do with 50-yard plinking?
Have your piss and pop tart and go back to the basement.
Maybe grow up a bit while you're down there?
Stop acting like a twit.
R.
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Lol, youre telling me to grow up and to piss off in the same sentence.
Yes, i have calibrated, operated, maintained and certified precision and not-so-precise instrumentation used to measure and record pressure, temperature, volume, fluid specific gravity, and weight. I am not "expert" but i understand the the requirements from training and usage. What qualifications do you have?
Again, what did you mean when you said none of the scales talked about in this thread are "accurate"? It's a simple question. It should be a simple answer.
After all the various posts about ins and outs of thrown versus weighed charges, for what you want to do I would just find the load for Tightgroup and use the Lee scoop!I just received a Lee Loader Classic in .223 Remington (for ammo for my bolt rifle that has a 9.5" barrel; which IMO makes it more like a pistol for reloading recipe purposes). I have not yet used the kit to reload a single round, but I've begun the process. So far, I've bought some "once-fired" brass, removed their primers and re-sized their necks. So far, so good. Nice pleasant way to spend some time. Next I intend to buy some relatively inexpensive Campro 223 55 Gr FMJ SBT projectiles, some small rifle primers and a pound of Titegroup.
As probably everybody reading this already realizes, no matter what caliber the kit, the Lee kit includes a powder scoop as well as a chart with Lee's recommended combinations of powders and bullet weights, etc.. Let's face it, no matter what the technique of dipping and leveling the load, the scoop is going to pour out charges of powder that are not going to be very precise in weight but, presumably, "close enough". I'm sure that Lee's recomendations are going to produce rounds that are going to be safe to shoot even though the charges are not all precisely the same weight, because if they weren't, the Lee Loader Classic would likely not still be on the market today.
The reason I'm writing this post is that I'd like to load rounds that are definitely going be on the low end of performance -- low weight bullets, around 1000 fps and, therefore, low energy and low chamber pressure ....... probably lower than any on Lee's list of recommended combinations. I'd like these rounds to shoot fairly accurately on paper targets at a maximum of roughly 40 yards.
There's a very interesting thread in the "reloading recipes" forum that mentions using slightly above 3 grains of Titegroup to produce rounds that are not much more powerful than a typical 22LR round. (Therefore, a pound of Titegroup for a Tightwad is going to re-load a lot of rounds!) IIRC, Titegroup is not mentioned on the Lee chart included in the kit, so I'm going to have to buy a powder measuring device of some type to output roughly 3-grain powder charges.
Considering what I've said above about the type of round I'd like to produce, what would you recommend I buy for a device to weigh the Titegroup? Those of you who have one, is an inexpensive digital scale going to be accurate enough to do this job and, if so, which do you recommend (there are a tonne of them on the you-know-what "store")? Whatever it is should have the accuracy and precision equal to or maybe slightly better than that of a Lee Loader Classic powder scoop.
Thanks for any device recommendations.
In reality , the scoop will be fine.....
Cat
I thought about having a small pile of “ aired out “ powder to add but I’m sure it would suck up moisture when in the case. I currently use a manual trickler, and also tweezers to pick kernels from based by size, off the table. It only adds a few seconds. I need H4350 SC lol.
Rman chose to respond with the "haha" emoji instead of an honest answer. Because it's all he's got.
A beam scale or a scoop is plenty accurate for loading plinking and hunting ammo. Hundreds of thousands of users have been doing that for decades.
The cheap electronic scales can work ok too, but they are famous for drifting. A reloader should have a way to check them periodically during use.
A beam scale or a scoop is plenty accurate for loading plinking and hunting ammo. Hundreds of thousands of users have been doing that for decades.
The cheap electronic scales can work ok too, but they are famous for drifting. A reloader should have a way to check them periodically during use.
I want to thank "recce" for gifting me his RCBS 5-0-2 that he was not using. Thanks, recce!
So I no longer need a powder weighing device.
After getting home and setting up and zeroing the neat little balance, the first thing I weighed was the 55gr bullet and powder that I weeks ago removed from a new PMC bronze round using an inertial bullet puller. I did this in order to see how much powder PMC had put in its bronze round. The purported 55gr bullet weighed in at 55.2 grains and the powder at 22 point something grains. Of course I have no idea what the powder is, but it is entirely made up of small black spheres of mostly the same size. If the volume of a grain of Titegroup is close to that of whatever powder I measured today, the space inside the 223 case taken up by 3.2 grains of Titegroup is going to be small -- 1/7th of the space taken up by 22 grains of PMC's mystery powder.
Speaking of Titegroup, I bought a pound of Titegroup today at Bass Pro Shops while my wife and I were out and about picking up the scale from recce and, afterwards, buying some wood glue at a Home Depot that's within a few meters of BPS on the south side of Edmonton.
After using the scale, I came back to this thread and noticed the great photo provided by Lefty (nickname for Richard) of his scale + trickler set-up. One thing I noticed using the scale is that in order to look at the scale's pointer, I had to get my head uncomfortably close to the table it was sitting on. I'm assuming that this is the reason that Lefty has his scale mounted on a lifting platform nice and high above the table. I'm betting that Lefty has that height set so that he can look straight-on at the scale's pointer and stationary reference line in his normal sitting position. This an arrangement that I'm also going to have to build.
Now it's time to acquire those Campro 55gr bullets and some small rifle primers.
You are welcome, for the mounting trick. And you are spot on about the ergonomics….. that’s hardwood bannister lumber, I secured from a past life some 40 or so years ago (now I feel old)I want to thank "recce" for gifting me his RCBS 5-0-2 that he was not using. Thanks, recce!
So I no longer need a powder weighing device.
After getting home and setting up and zeroing the neat little balance, the first thing I weighed was the 55gr bullet and powder that I weeks ago removed from a new PMC bronze round using an inertial bullet puller. I did this in order to see how much powder PMC had put in its bronze round. The purported 55gr bullet weighed in at 55.2 grains and the powder at 22 point something grains. Of course I have no idea what the powder is, but it is entirely made up of small black spheres of mostly the same size. If the volume of a grain of Titegroup is close to that of whatever powder I measured today, the space inside the 223 case taken up by 3.2 grains of Titegroup is going to be small -- 1/7th of the space taken up by 22 grains of PMC's mystery powder.
Speaking of Titegroup, I bought a pound of Titegroup today at Bass Pro Shops while my wife and I were out and about picking up the scale from recce and, afterwards, buying some wood glue at a Home Depot that's within a few meters of BPS on the south side of Edmonton.
After using the scale, I came back to this thread and noticed the great photo provided by Lefty (nickname for Richard) of his scale + trickler set-up. One thing I noticed using the scale is that in order to look at the scale's pointer, I had to get my head uncomfortably close to the table it was sitting on. I'm assuming that this is the reason that Lefty has his scale mounted on a lifting platform nice and high above the table. I'm betting that Lefty has that height set so that he can look straight-on at the scale's pointer and stationary reference line in his normal sitting position. This an arrangement that I'm also going to have to build.
Now it's time to acquire those Campro 55gr bullets and some small rifle primers.
Since you’re set on Campro bullets don’t sweat what the fly poop pickers have been on about, just get a consistent load, and perfect your processes, and enjoy the range time.
6.5CM and when I use RL22 in 270 win.
Great idea
, but I'm going the mount-on-a-stand design.The problem with the Lee scoop that came with the kit is that it's too big (I think). I'll use the scoop to measure some Titegroup and dump it in on the scale's pan. If it's close to 3.2 grains it'll be a miracle.
But I also think that a DIY or even a small, typical kitchen measuring spoon may be something worth investigating. The scale can confirm its repeatability and, I hate to say the word, accuracy of whatever scoop is being tested.
Pistol cases with a soldered on coat hanger or welding rod handle can be used too…..
I have two sets of the Lee scoops and just bought one at a gunshow for a friend to measure his buffer for his waterfowl loads. They work very well.
Cat
I reloaded two boxes of 250 Savage after supper last night. The brass already prepped and primed the night before so it was a nice relaxing time. Could've used my RCBS powder measure to speed things up but weighed each round with my RCBS 5-10 scale. Trickle the powder up till the pointer hit the mark and a soft touch to move the pointer to watch it come back on the mark as a double check. Life is good.
Ok this thread has got me interested in doing an experiment like iron cat’s this weekend.
I currently use a digital scale, scoop, and trickler picking the closest scoop to my load and trickling up to get where I want to go.
As it turns out the load I developed is basically a full scoop +\- a few kernels so should be perfect to test.
I will do 50 of each my normal style and 50 full scoops leveled off.
I will chrono all shots and see how my 10 shot groups and fps results compare because I believe it will be an enjoyable experience and I like loading and shooting as well as trying new techniques.
I don’t see a downside since I was gonna load and shoot 100 anyway
Thanks for the idea cat!
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I currently use a digital scale, scoop, and trickler picking the closest scoop to my load and trickling up to get where I want to go.
As it turns out the load I developed is basically a full scoop +\- a few kernels so should be perfect to test.
I will do 50 of each my normal style and 50 full scoops leveled off.
I will chrono all shots and see how my 10 shot groups and fps results compare because I believe it will be an enjoyable experience and I like loading and shooting as well as trying new techniques.
I don’t see a downside since I was gonna load and shoot 100 anyway
Thanks for the idea cat!
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What cartridge?Ok this thread has got me interested in doing an experiment like iron cat’s this weekend.
I currently use a digital scale, scoop, and trickler picking the closest scoop to my load and trickling up to get where I want to go.
As it turns out the load I developed is basically a full scoop +\- a few kernels so should be perfect to test.
I will do 50 of each my normal style and 50 full scoops leveled off.
I will chrono all shots and see how my 10 shot groups and fps results compare because I believe it will be an enjoyable experience and I like loading and shooting as well as trying new techniques.
I don’t see a downside since I was gonna load and shoot 100 anyway
Thanks for the idea cat!
Edit: spelling (probably missed some more)
What is the current speed and SD?
Oh, and what chrono?
R.
