beo mags, yes beo mags, what's going on?

mmattockx said:
Yeah, but is that a hunting regulation or federal law? In Alberta all semi-auto rifles are limited to 5 rounds for hunting as per the Wildlife Act, regardless of what the federal laws say. I have to use 5 round clips in my Garand while hunting even though the full 8 is legal in the firearms act.


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True dat! My neighbour argued with me tooth and nail that his pistol mags were leagal to hunt with..... He is mistaking firearm laws with hunting regs I told him...

A lot of rules out there.
 
Runningfool said:
Brian has gone waaaaaaay past “simply passing on a warning”. I won’t say he’s fabricating his multiple CO magazine check stories, and I won’t say he may very well not even own a firearm chambered in 50 beo, and I won’t speculate on why he would be anti-Beowulf mags. But I will say that his posts, when looked at collectively, are down right peculiar and it appears I’m not the only one who has noticed this.
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lol

I agree it is peculiar, but I am likely one of maybe a couple people in the entire country that has a rifle chambered in 50 beowulf that gets this amount of public exposure due to its NR status.

Anyone else here been stopped by a CO on the way to your hike in spot out in the woods with 50 beowulf rifle uncased on the seat with a loaded magazine in the cup holder?
 
Runningfool said:
A) weak comparison but yeah, my insurance company has spoken on the Beowulf mag issue and confirmed coverage.

B) I have spoken at length about this issue with one of their directors. They have also stated their position that these mags remain legal. I don’t for a minute doubt that they would get involved and believe the only reason they didn’t do so in the most recent situation was because of the involvement of drugs and beo mags. I’m not saying I’m the right horse to bet on should I be charged, but I’m a horse without baggage.

C) the support of this community is anything but laughable. Even the recent case involving beo mags and pot had many many members willing to pony up cash to help this fight...even those who are dead-set against pot were willing to contribute their hard-earned dollars. There are a lot of us who want a beo mag charge fought by the very best and a precedent set; those people, like myself, are ready to contribute, to see this settled, to push back against so-called interpretations. Today they interpret this way and make up terms like dual use, what will they come up with tomorrow?

E) You think I should live in fear because of what the government may do to me? Thank god more people don’t think like you do or our country would be in far worse shape than it already is.

Read the last line of my post that you quoted...does that sound like I’m encouraging people to put themselves and their freedom at risk based on my opinion?

Brian has gone waaaaaaay past “simply passing on a warning”. I won’t say he’s fabricating his multiple CO magazine check stories, and I won’t say he may very well not even own a firearm chambered in 50 beo, and I won’t speculate on why he would be anti-Beowulf mags. But I will say that his posts, when looked at collectively, are down right peculiar and it appears I’m not the only one who has noticed this.
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Then why not walk into the local police station with your Beowulf mags and get the ball rolling?
I'll volunteer to donate $100 towards your legal costs, copy that down somewhere and hold me to it when you need money for a lawyer.
My feelings towards counting on community support is that talk is cheap. Everyone has your back until put to task and actually asked to pull out their wallet or stand beside you when there is a possibility of negative consequences.
I don't think you should live in fear but I don't see any reason to intentionally go against the people who can seriously F up your life just to be able to stick 5 more rounds in my magazine.
By simply ignoring the bulletin you are not fighting anything, you are doing nothing. If you want to stand up for your rights then hit it head on and rally the community to get behind you with a legal battle to not only toss this bulletin in the trash where it belongs but then continue on to get the magazine capacity restrictions removed completely. As far as I'm concerned we should be allowed to run 1000 round belts or 100 round drum mags without fear of jail. We all know that criminals don't care what is illegal or not and the only people that the laws effect are law abiding citizens who are the last people the police and general populous need to worry about.
 
^ I am in for $1000.
Let me know who your lawyer is and I will give it directly to them for legal costs pertaining to legal challenge of the RCMP's interpretation on the 50 beowulf magazines
 
Brian46 said:
lol

I agree it is peculiar, but I am likely one of maybe a couple people in the entire country that has a rifle chambered in 50 beowulf that gets this amount of public exposure due to its NR status.

Anyone else here been stopped by a CO on the way to your hike in spot out in the woods with 50 beowulf rifle uncased on the seat with a loaded magazine in the cup holder?
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No, and I doubt you have either.

And in response to your earlier post, now you’re saying they’re probably not stopping my friends because they only have .223’s but instead only checking guys actually using the .50 Beowulf cartridge? How highly versed are these RCMP or CO’s in your region? Most members I shoot with hadn’t even heard of the Beowulf cartridge until they shoot with me.

Which NR .50 do you have?
 
cr5 said:
Then why not walk into the local police station with your Beowulf mags and get the ball rolling?
I'll volunteer to donate $100 towards your legal costs, copy that down somewhere and hold me to it when you need money for a lawyer.
My feelings towards counting on community support is that talk is cheap. Everyone has your back until put to task and actually asked to pull out their wallet or stand beside you when there is a possibility of negative consequences.
I don't think you should live in fear but I don't see any reason to intentionally go against the people who can seriously F up your life just to be able to stick 5 more rounds in my magazine.
By simply ignoring the bulletin you are not fighting anything, you are doing nothing. If you want to stand up for your rights then hit it head on and rally the community to get behind you with a legal battle to not only toss this bulletin in the trash where it belongs but then continue on to get the magazine capacity restrictions removed completely. As far as I'm concerned we should be allowed to run 1000 round belts or 100 round drum mags without fear of jail. We all know that criminals don't care what is illegal or not and the only people that the laws effect are law abiding citizens who are the last people the police and general populous need to worry about.
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Or I can just shoot with them next Thursday like I always do. But instead of pointing out a bs bulletin, I just point to the markings on the side saying Beowulf, load my 15 rounds and shoot with them.

It’s lkke you guys want them to be illegal.
 
J_Scott said:
No, and I doubt you have either.

And in response to your earlier post, now you’re saying they’re probably not stopping my friends because they only have .223’s but instead only checking guys actually using the .50 Beowulf cartridge? How highly versed are these RCMP or CO’s in your region? Most members I shoot with hadn’t even heard of the Beowulf cartridge until they shoot with me.

Which NR .50 do you have?
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you believe the rcmp and CO's are incapable of reading headstamps on ammunition that sticks out like a sore thumb compared to anything else they see on a regular basis?

ACR, pics of my rifle and multiple conversions are already on the page
 
J_Scott said:
Or I can just shoot with them next Thursday like I always do. But instead of pointing out a bs bulletin, I just point to the markings on the side saying Beowulf, load my 15 rounds and shoot with them.

It’s lkke you guys want them to be illegal.
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It is more than a bulletin, it is legal comments contained in the FRT. Have your local gun store look it up if you don't want to believe me.

The "Canadian Law Comments" section says for FRT #121656.

In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges.
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Are you arguing that all 5rd Beowulf mags are illegal? Or just the AA ones? Because that clearly states it’s just for that mag that was adapted to .50 beo from 5.56.

If that’s your argument it’s pretty weak and doesn’t apply to all beo mags at all.
 
LeadMonkey said:
The illegal part would be if you had a magazine which was not in compliance with the law and thus already a prohibited device as is illegal to handle any prohibited device unless you are licensed to do so.

This is similar to the 10/22 magazine issue where the CSSA warns of this here, although handling or altering prohibited devices is clearly spelled out in the firearms act and regulations:



That means it is not only a crime to possess but also a crime to work on, you may NOT alter a prohibited device, you must take it to an authorised gunsmith or business who is authorised to handle this dangerous prohibited device, thus also committing a crime by transporting said prohibited device.



You sir have just openly admitted on a public forum to committing a crime. Just because you don't use them or leave your house with them doesn't mean you have not created a prohibited device, the instant you removed the rivet you are a criminal as you are now in possession of a prohibited device, use is NOT a requirement.



NO, you are wrong, this is VERY illegal. Encouraging others to do the same is also against forum rules.
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Ok, then, mine are pinned to two rnds.
Can I leave that pin in,add another pin at the five round point, and then remove the two round pin?

By doing that, I’ll never have the mag capable of more than 5 rnds.

Yes? No?
 
LeadMonkey said:
The illegal part would be if you had a magazine which was not in compliance with the law and thus already a prohibited device as is illegal to handle any prohibited device unless you are licensed to do so.
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this is why I only have magazines brought in after importers like northern republic magazines started pinning them to two rounds for import
 
J_Scott said:
Are you arguing that all 5rd Beowulf mags are illegal? Or just the AA ones? Because that clearly states it’s just for that mag that was adapted to .50 beo from 5.56.

If that’s your argument it’s pretty weak and doesn’t apply to all beo mags at all.
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what?

The legal comments in the FRT does not specify one type or manufacturer of 50 beowulf magazines. It is clearly saying they are all adaptations and therefore all prohibited if hold more than 2 rounds.
 
Brian46 said:
what?

The entry in the FRT does not specify one type or manufacturer of 50 beowulf magazines
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So the RCMP are saying that every magazine made for .50 beowulf is adapted from 5.56 mags? I'd go to court against that any day of the week. Lead Monkey is correct, if they'd actually made a proper legal argument, it would be more than some comments on their site. They would have to actually inform people of their prohibited devices.

Brian46 said:
this is why I only have magazines brought in after importers like northern republic magazines started pinning them to two rounds for import
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What a waste of a perfectly good firearm. I think I'm going to buy a .50 beowulf just so I can shoot that with my full size mags and post it here.
 
J_Scott said:
So the RCMP are saying that every magazine made for .50 beowulf is adapted from 5.56 mags? I'd go to court against that any day of the week. Lead Monkey is correct, if they'd actually made a proper legal argument, it would be more than some comments on their site. They would have to actually inform people of their prohibited devices.
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the FRT is not comments on a website that mean nothing lol

What a waste of a perfectly good firearm. I think I'm going to buy a .50 beowulf just so I can shoot that with my full size mags and post it here.
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Just go down to your local rcmp detachment with the rifle, 5 round magazine and ask for clarification, that video would be far more entertaining for the viewers
 
Brian46 said:
the FRT is not comments on a website that mean nothing lol


Just go down to your local rcmp detachment with the rifle, 5 round magazine and ask for clarification, that video would be far more entertaining for the viewers
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If you'd bother to read my posts I shoot with the RCMP here all the time, with my 5 rnd Beowulf mags holding 15 rnds of .223.

And yes, those are just "comments" in the firearms reference table. Without a change of law it means nothing.
 
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