Best Bedside Defense Shotgun
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I've got steel drums around the property..and every now and then unload on one with #4 or even smaller..and it dents and penetrates the drums at around 15ft.
That has zero scientific value..but it just seems to have lots of energy when it smacks the drum.
That has zero scientific value..but it just seems to have lots of energy when it smacks the drum.
I've seen #4 buckshot pellets fail to exit an empty plastic jug at less than 20 yards, ending up as shapeless scrap of lead.
Small pellets, on top of shedding energy quickly, just don't seem to have a lot of structural integrity to spare if they hit something reasonably tough.
Small pellets, on top of shedding energy quickly, just don't seem to have a lot of structural integrity to spare if they hit something reasonably tough.
3 rounds of birdshot, 1 into the heart from arm's length, contact shot to the head. A police officer saw him walking down the street and called an ambulance.
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Install home alarm and set it overnight. CCTV also would scare off most of intruders. It will also do the job while you away. High tech times now. If someone would ignore cameras and alarm going off (not likely) - then they really desperate to kill you as their primary goal. If so, don't worry - they will kill you on the street when you on your way home or way out without your gun or unprepared. For the rest of folks - still worth moving into better area, since you only protecting yourself inside the house.
I am familiar with this story, it has often been quoted in the whole birdshot vs buckshot debate. I just want to add a couple points:
-The contact shot to the head was anything but, he felt the muzzle against his head and was able to push it away enough to escape with a groove to his skull. If the muzzle had been square to his head I am pretty sure the birdshot wouldn't have just bounced off.
-He was barely able to get up and stagger out of the alley into the street where he was discovered. He wasn't exactly jogging to the hospital to get fixed up.
This guy was lucky beyond measure, even with his inept attacker botching the job he just about died. And for all intents and purposes if the object is stopping someone with birdshot then in this example it worked. This guy was completely helpless and at the mercy of his attacker after being shot.
-The contact shot to the head was anything but, he felt the muzzle against his head and was able to push it away enough to escape with a groove to his skull. If the muzzle had been square to his head I am pretty sure the birdshot wouldn't have just bounced off.
-He was barely able to get up and stagger out of the alley into the street where he was discovered. He wasn't exactly jogging to the hospital to get fixed up.
This guy was lucky beyond measure, even with his inept attacker botching the job he just about died. And for all intents and purposes if the object is stopping someone with birdshot then in this example it worked. This guy was completely helpless and at the mercy of his attacker after being shot.
If you think you are going to get off 3 or 4 or even 6 shots off in a close contact scenario, more power to you. Personally I want my social engagements of this nature to be over with one shot. Mine. I don't want to give some coke head the opportunity to get back up with a knife and/or return fire, because now I (and my family) are DOWNRANGE.
And if takes 6 shots to down the prep, what if he brought friends?
And if takes 6 shots to down the prep, what if he brought friends?
This is what I think too. As far as a delivery device, I really like the Benelli Supernova Tactical. It has a 3 1/2" chamber and a 14 inch barrel. The stock collapses nicely too. I would have suggested it earlier but the OP was looking for a mag fed SG. The Supernova Tactical is a really nice gun to shoot. If I were ever in a defensive position, I would want it available. Of all my guns, this one would be my choice.
Yep.
Nice Stoeger Double Defence or Stoeger IGA Condor Outback Defence with some reduced recoil shells.
Tad pricey though. Outback Defence is around $600 and the Double Defence is around $520.
Corwin-Arms is bringing these into the country soon (within the next week or so)... Advantage over a short SxS is a slimmer profile, so it will slide between the headboard of your bed and the wall a lot more subtly, same could be said for behind your night-stand.
A short pump is better, overall, but given our storage laws, anything has to start off unloaded. Dropping a couple shells into a SxS or OU is faster than feeding a tube and racking, and on par (possible faster) than slapping in a mag and racking.
The above has ejectors (as opposed to extractors), so reloads can happen fast. But, realistically, the first shot or two is going to decide the issue. Even if there are multiple attackers, once one goes down, the rest tend to flee.
As for type of shot - well, that's the eternal debate. At "in the house" ranges pretty much anything - even #8 target loads - will have a very high degree of "f@ck sh!t up"... Even if it doesn't kill, getting slapped by a cloud of birdshot will seriously demotivate just about anyone.
#2 shot is about as heavy as I would personally want to go - I would want whatever I shot to be essentially harmless after passing through a sheet of drywall, if you head into the 00 zone, that might not be the case.
It's all theoretical. I have a kid in the house so I keep my boomsticks locked up, always. I'm more worried about her curious fingers than the extremely low odds of a home invader being an issue. And waking up in the middle of the night, shaking off the groggies, to deal with a home invader? Not conducive to really good split second decision making with a firearm.
But, it's your life, your choice. Whatever you decide to go with, make sure it also becomes your "Every Trip To the Range" gun, and go to the range. A lot.
A short pump is better, overall, but given our storage laws, anything has to start off unloaded. Dropping a couple shells into a SxS or OU is faster than feeding a tube and racking, and on par (possible faster) than slapping in a mag and racking.
The above has ejectors (as opposed to extractors), so reloads can happen fast. But, realistically, the first shot or two is going to decide the issue. Even if there are multiple attackers, once one goes down, the rest tend to flee.
As for type of shot - well, that's the eternal debate. At "in the house" ranges pretty much anything - even #8 target loads - will have a very high degree of "f@ck sh!t up"... Even if it doesn't kill, getting slapped by a cloud of birdshot will seriously demotivate just about anyone.
#2 shot is about as heavy as I would personally want to go - I would want whatever I shot to be essentially harmless after passing through a sheet of drywall, if you head into the 00 zone, that might not be the case.
It's all theoretical. I have a kid in the house so I keep my boomsticks locked up, always. I'm more worried about her curious fingers than the extremely low odds of a home invader being an issue. And waking up in the middle of the night, shaking off the groggies, to deal with a home invader? Not conducive to really good split second decision making with a firearm.
But, it's your life, your choice. Whatever you decide to go with, make sure it also becomes your "Every Trip To the Range" gun, and go to the range. A lot.
Not sure if someone already pointed it out but section 34 and 35 is what you need now. Same idea though.
In our IDPA practice nights we sometimes shoot shotguns in various scenarios, including with the lights off. I tried my 20" side SXS (a hammer gun, no safety) and a 870.
Shooting against the clock, in the dark, starting with a gun on a table and the ammo in a drawer was an interesting exercise.
My observations:
Both guns are easy to load quickly, even in the dark.
Both are 100% reliable, assuming quality ammo in the pump.
A safety catch is a terrible liability, so I decided the SXS was the best bet.
00 Buck (SSG) has the power and will not over penetrate outside walls.
Barrel length has nothing to do with group size and groups inside a home are unlikely to be bigger than a dinner plate, and usually much less. The gun has to be aimed.
You need a light with or on the gun and you have to practice with it. Recoil will destroy cheap lights within 1 or 2 shots.
Pistol or shotgun?
Pistol is quicker to load, but in poor light a shotgun gets better hits. Not because of the pattern size, but because it is easier to aim better in poor light.
We also had targets that turned on a light aimed back at the shooter. This was very educational. If you have a bright flashlight aimed in the eyes of your target you have a huge momentary advantage.
Shooting against the clock, in the dark, starting with a gun on a table and the ammo in a drawer was an interesting exercise.
My observations:
Both guns are easy to load quickly, even in the dark.
Both are 100% reliable, assuming quality ammo in the pump.
A safety catch is a terrible liability, so I decided the SXS was the best bet.
00 Buck (SSG) has the power and will not over penetrate outside walls.
Barrel length has nothing to do with group size and groups inside a home are unlikely to be bigger than a dinner plate, and usually much less. The gun has to be aimed.
You need a light with or on the gun and you have to practice with it. Recoil will destroy cheap lights within 1 or 2 shots.
Pistol or shotgun?
Pistol is quicker to load, but in poor light a shotgun gets better hits. Not because of the pattern size, but because it is easier to aim better in poor light.
We also had targets that turned on a light aimed back at the shooter. This was very educational. If you have a bright flashlight aimed in the eyes of your target you have a huge momentary advantage.
If you're feeding the tube then racking the slide you're doing it wrong.
100% on choice.
Try a select slug or need slug now drill on a mag fed shotty...
