Best home defense shotgun ?

Cops, lawyers, prosecutors & judges follow the law now ?

Is this a new trend ?

Kosmonument said:
Neither lock is not being used as intended by the manufacturer, and there's an increased chance of malfunction due to the unnecessarily added complexity.

It's a stupid risk to take and just because you think you're being clever in doing it, doesn't mean you will actually get away with it. The lawyers would destroy you in a court room over something like this. If you want to pull stunts like these, or not have to do any of this at all, first you need to affect change in the laws.
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When I took my safety course, the instructors told me that it's in my best interest from a legal standpoint to meet and possibly exceed the law as far as storage, security and transportation of firearms is concerned, as that is where most people get tripped up by the police and the courts. They specifically advised me not to pull stunts like that one. This sentiment is echoed by the CCFR. But hey, if you want to put yourselves at added risk, that's your decision. But don't expect the entire community to support you when you screw up and inevitably catch a charge for something stupid and entirely avoidable.
 
Kosmonument said:
When I took my safety course, the instructors told me that it's in my best interest from a legal standpoint to meet and possibly exceed the law as far as storage, security and transportation of firearms is concerned, as that is where most people get tripped up by the police and the courts. They specifically advised me not to pull stunts like that one. This sentiment is echoed by the CCFR. But hey, if you want to put yourselves at added risk, that's your decision. But don't expect the entire community to support you when you screw up and inevitably catch a charge for something stupid and entirely avoidable.
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You talk a lot about stupid but don't answer the question at hand. Go troll somewhere else.

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If I was that afraid, I would just leave the safe open and let them prove you didn't unlock it. Just sayin. No matter what you do, the minute a gun comes out you can plan on getting charged with something or other. I've never felt the need, but that's just me
 
Kosmonument said:
This isn't about like or dislike, it's about legal or not legal. We may not like our current set of gun and storage laws but it's the one we have, so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that winding a rope lock through a safe is sufficient to meet the Federal criteria for legal storage, because it's not.
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You've never read the actual storage regulations, have you?
 
My guard shiatsu sleeps on the bed just in case the bad guy gets by the two Rottweiler's sleeping on the floor. Dogs are great for all sorts of house hold duties like warding off bible thumpers that show up at the door.

Bottom line ladies and gents you shoot some one in this day and age in your home or on your property on the premise of protection and your in deep, deep legal Ka , Ka, which you may or may not ever get yourself out of. Best to let the dog handle it. The present legal system is far more understanding of the dog chewing some bad guys balls off than you shooting them off.
 
Kosmonument said:
Neither lock is being used as intended by the manufacturer, and there's an increased chance of malfunction due to the unnecessarily added complexity.

It's a stupid risk to take and just because you think you're being clever in doing it, doesn't mean you will actually get away with it. The lawyers would destroy you in a court room over something like this. If you want to pull stunts like these, or not have to do any of this at all, first you need to affect change in the laws.
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Kosmonument said:
When I took my safety course, the instructors told me that it's in my best interest from a legal standpoint to meet and possibly exceed the law as far as storage, security and transportation of firearms is concerned, as that is where most people get tripped up by the police and the courts. They specifically advised me not to pull stunts like that one. This sentiment is echoed by the CCFR. But hey, if you want to put yourselves at added risk, that's your decision. But don't expect the entire community to support you when you screw up and inevitably catch a charge for something stupid and entirely avoidable.
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Oh man, that some good stuff right there. I’d love to hear what you do when transporting non restricteds, I need a good laugh. Nothing about that cable lock and safe setup is illegal, you need a refresher course.

My instructors told me the same fear mongering spiel about going above and beyond the law, you can drink the kool aid if you want...
 
mrgoat said:
My guard shiatsu sleeps on the bed just in case the bad guy gets by the two Rottweiler's sleeping on the floor. Dogs are great for all sorts of house hold duties like warding off bible thumpers that show up at the door.

Bottom line ladies and gents you shoot some one in this day and age in your home or on your property on the premise of protection and your in deep, deep legal Ka , Ka, which you may or may not ever get yourself out of. Best to let the dog handle it. The present legal system is far more understanding of the dog chewing some bad guys balls off than you shooting them off.
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I agree with this post. A dog is usually a much better self defence tool than a gun. Especially given our legal system.
 
Butcherbill said:
Oh man, that some good stuff right there. I’d love to hear what you do when transporting non restricteds, I need a good laugh. Nothing about that cable lock and safe setup is illegal, you need a refresher course.

My instructors told me the same fear mongering spiel about going above and beyond the law, you can drink the kool aid if you want...
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I just daisy-chain my rope locks until I reach my destination.
 
Kosmonument said:
Already tackled that issue in the first sentence of my initial critique.
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The manufacturers intended use has no bearing on the legal requirements of safe storage for a firearm, all that matters is that your meet the laws requirements. Which in this case is unloaded and either trigger locked or cable locked through the action rendering it inoperable. Removal of the bolt body would be sufficient as well. So no, you didn’t answer the question at all.
 
Non-Restricted Benelli M4 with magazine tube extension. Fires Fiocchi 7/8oz low recoil Slugs and 1oz Score Competition slugs with no issues. I keep a small stockpile of Hornady Zombie Max 00 Z-Shot in case of a Zombie outbreak lol!


 
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Kosmonument said:
Already tackled that issue in the first sentence of my initial critique.
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How long have you actually had your PAL?
Because you're walking around talking here like some know it all, pointing your finger and trying to school people who have had theirs for decades and have owned hundreds of guns throughout their lives.
 
EL34/6L6 said:
How long have you actually had your PAL?
Because you're walking around talking here like some know it all, pointing your finger and trying to school people who have had theirs for decades and have owned hundreds of guns throughout their lives.
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yep, doesnt seem like a good way to interact with a good community.
 
EL34/6L6 said:
How long have you actually had your PAL?
Because you're walking around talking here like some know it all, pointing your finger and trying to school people who have had theirs for decades and have owned hundreds of guns throughout their lives.
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I don't point anything at anyone. I wouldn't have completed by RPAL course if I did.

If I said something that's wrong, by all means correct me, but for God's sake please don't get all upset just because I have an opinion.
 
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Butcherbill said:
The manufacturers intended use has no bearing on the legal requirements of safe storage for a firearm, all that matters is that your meet the laws requirements. Which in this case is unloaded and either trigger locked or cable locked through the action rendering it inoperable. Removal of the bolt body would be sufficient as well. So no, you didn’t answer the question at all.
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Or in a locked case, right?
 
Kosmonument said:
I don't point anything at anyone. I wouldn't have completed by RPAL course if I did.

If I said something that's wrong, by all means correct me, but for God's sake please don't get all upset just because I have an opinion.
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The point is that your opinion is not the law - and folks are asking about supportable legal advice. Therefore, ergo and ipso facto, your opinion is clogging up the works...
 
Kosmonument said:
Or in a locked case, right?
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If you are unsure of the storage laws for NR and R classed firearms I suggest you re read them again and brush up on them to meet the minimum requirements, going above and beyond that is up to you how far you go.

Please don’t try to tell the rest of us we’re not legal just because you aren’t comfortable with what the law says is the minimum required for storage, or you took the scare tactics of your pal/rpal instructor to heart. While some instructors know their stuff, there are others that could use a refresher themselves.
 
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