Best NR 9mm Glock fed Pistol Calibre Carbine PCC
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YoungestPiperCub
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Ruger PCC was the winner for me. Sold the fx9 and keltec. Works great. Super simple. Takedown is awesome. Doesn't look as cool as the PCC but goes bang everytime for cheap.
JACKSMYDOG
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My TD GA 9mm Carbine is the least reliable gun I have ever shot. I have never emptied a full mag without a malfunction. Great that it takes AR parts, is super simple take down and well built, but no last round hold open. Even if it ran 100%, I would have updated to a restricted option (with last round hold open) in the AR style.
My Ruger PCC has been flawless so far, but under 1k rounds still. I like it for NR, it's take-down-ability, and a more friendly look. One concern I have with the new AR style Ruger PCC, is that it appears to be a full wrap chassis, which, if like the Ruger SR22 became heavier than my fully dressed and loaded AR15.
I have a FX9 in my safe, which I do not own. It was bought used and I'm waiting for a friend to pick it up (I was just the middle man in the deal). I haven't had time to shoot it yet, but previous owner said it was 100% for him. I hope to get it out next week for a test run, before giving it up tp it's rightful owner.
My competition 9mm PCC is a PWS 9.5 inch and it has been 100% so far with 1300 rounds through it. It is restricted which is a draw back for some, but works for me. I dressed it exactly the same as my AR, with same stock, grip, sights, ambi-safety & sling points. The only noticeable difference is the barrel length. It also takes AR parts, including a Raptor Charging handle and pretty good trigger from the factory.
My Ruger PCC has been flawless so far, but under 1k rounds still. I like it for NR, it's take-down-ability, and a more friendly look. One concern I have with the new AR style Ruger PCC, is that it appears to be a full wrap chassis, which, if like the Ruger SR22 became heavier than my fully dressed and loaded AR15.
I have a FX9 in my safe, which I do not own. It was bought used and I'm waiting for a friend to pick it up (I was just the middle man in the deal). I haven't had time to shoot it yet, but previous owner said it was 100% for him. I hope to get it out next week for a test run, before giving it up tp it's rightful owner.
My competition 9mm PCC is a PWS 9.5 inch and it has been 100% so far with 1300 rounds through it. It is restricted which is a draw back for some, but works for me. I dressed it exactly the same as my AR, with same stock, grip, sights, ambi-safety & sling points. The only noticeable difference is the barrel length. It also takes AR parts, including a Raptor Charging handle and pretty good trigger from the factory.
Suuure lol. What does a Evo offer that a CX4 or FX9 does not ?
Slipnslide
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My buddies brand new Sub 2k broke in 18 shots when we tried it out in September. Maybe it was just a lemon but it kind of made me weary of Kel Tec.
angryeyebrows
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I can’t speak to the Storm, but over the FX-9, reliability. Unlike all the other firearms mentioned, the Evo sees real world use. Having owned both the FX-9 and the Evo, the FX-9 is a toy, and not even on the same playing field as the Scorpion.
Slipnslide
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- Ontario, Canada
I believe it was the trigger but he has yet to send it back for repairs. After eighteen rounds the trigger felt weird and not very crisp, but still moving. There were no indentations on the cartridges and the bolt/firing pin doesn't appear to be moving at all. Gun cocks fine, I disassembled it until I got to the castle nut with nothing wrong but didn't want to go any further and void the warranty.
I have to ask, what do you use your Evo for. Is it your"Bug out gun" when our democracy disintegrates into anarchy or have you found a shooting sport that requires you to reload every five rounds? Just saying. Some folks here buy their guns and actually have a use for them.
That aside the Evo is an excellent firearm but when it is limited to five rounds in Canada there is not much you can do with it other than plink at the range or get real good at doing reloads playing 3Gun or PCC via IPSC or IDPA. The non-registered version though has caught my eye and may find a home in Terrace sooner than later. I like to plink.
Take Care
Bob
angryeyebrows
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Bob, there are multitude of reasons I own the firearms that I do. Magazine capacity has never driven my purchases. For example, I owned ARs prior to the availability of LAR mags. I do train with some firearms, but I think the scorpion is more of “nice to have” rather than a “must have”. If our democracy degraded into anarchy, I’d probably opt for a 556 rifle for personal protection, over a 9mm carbine. That being said, it would be a great firearm to hand to a shooter with minimal training or a smaller stature. Lightweight and manageable recoil.
If you are considering a non-res version, I’d highly recommend it, especially if you can get ahold of some PSA mags...
RobbieLaidlaw
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Kel tec is great.
I mean dont get me wrong, i think the Evo is an excellent PCC ( I too almost bought one). Its just i wouldnt go so far as to say " none of the firearms mentioned here really compare"
The Evo has its share of cons... being mostly polymer, takes lengthy proprietary 5rnd mags, has a safety that digs into your finger, and isnt nearly as customizable as the AR styled PCCs mentioned in this thread. Etc. Etc.
ALL of the PCCs mentioned here have "REAL" world use lol
Some firearms see harsher environments and more testing situations under civilian use then what often occurs in Military/law enforcement these days....
I'm also wondering about his rifles. The firing pin issue he describes was a real issue on early models due to firing pins being too soft. My old 40 S&W had the original pin do this but after replacing the pin with their updated pin I've had no issues with it. My new TD Competition 9mm has just finished it's first case of ammo and so far no issues.
No last round bolt hold open is the only thing that bugs me about the TD but it's not the end of the world.
angryeyebrows
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In this day and age, being polymer is not a con. It does take proprietary mags but these mags are made to feed and function reliably in the select fire version. The selector is a legit complaint...easily fixed by swapping out the grip or the selector. I can’t really square up your last point either. You can get aftermarket mags, stocks, grips, handguards, charging handls, selectors, triggers, barrels, sling points etc. What can you get for your AR style PCC that’s any different? A bolt?
Maybe there is some confusion about my wording. Aside from the X95 and the Scorpion, none of these firearms have been adopted by any military or law enforcement, anywhere. That’s what I mean by “Real World”. As well, none of them were first designed as a select fire SMG, expected to function on automatic for extended use in the field. Name me a professional agency that uses the FX-9, or the Keltec or any other. As for harsher environments from civvy use, I can guarantee you that firearms in military service are FAR more abused than ones in private hands. Of course there are exceptions for dudes who actually train with their guns, but they are few and far between.
As for the CZ Evo. They dont take Glock mags. (Unless there is an adapter???)
I would easily choose the BT GHM9 over a CZ (as I have their BT 5/30 round magazines available already). I agree you get real good at reloads with 5 rounds, and there is a Glock lower variant (as well as Sig P320) model. The price is easily double the Evo, PC9 or FX9.
The 5 round 9mm limit on these restricted civilian versions of SMGs are lame. Hence the popularity of the use of legal 10 round pistol magazines.
I would easily choose the BT GHM9 over a CZ (as I have their BT 5/30 round magazines available already). I agree you get real good at reloads with 5 rounds, and there is a Glock lower variant (as well as Sig P320) model. The price is easily double the Evo, PC9 or FX9.
The 5 round 9mm limit on these restricted civilian versions of SMGs are lame. Hence the popularity of the use of legal 10 round pistol magazines.
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angryeyebrows
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If you must have Glock mags, and you must have non-res, I think the newest Ruger PCC is worth a try. For sure over the FX-9 or any Keltec product. If you open the mag requirement up to different types, I’d go for storm or the x95, both can use 10 rnd mags.
