Black Guns, Industry and Ethics.

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Unregistered_ said:
I find kevin's (OP's) conduct in the past more reprehensible than NEA's as I described in a post above.
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I don't think KevinB's actions in that dealer thread where bad, he was protecting KAC's investment both in ITAR and "EXCLUSIVE" Dealerships, when grey market guns enter the country KAC is still responsible of making sure they follow all ITAR Export regulations even though they had nothing to do with the export....

KAC Also has an ethical responsibility to protect its exclusive dealer in canada from others infringing on its exclusivity....

end of story.
 
North Eastern Arms said:
NEA and KAC jockeying? I think that's one of the signs of the apocalypse.
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Who would have guessed, the Apocalypse and AR15's together. ;)

I have to admit though, the biggest industry in firearms in NA are AR15 variants and handguns. Not surprised that competition is tough. I have learned a lot in the last few weeks about AR15's which had nothing to do with the recent goings on.
 
I guess I must have lowered expectations, or perhaps it is because I am newer to this site and my exposure to these Manufacturers, but I honestly do not see any of these examples being worse than another.

I know that brand loyalty is playing a huge factor in some posters expectations here, and I honestly don't see what is to be gained from trying to shut a Domestic producer out of business.

I think NEA seems to have met their challenge head on and assumed responsibility for the actions they took. I don't see anyone else doing it.

this is typical internet e-peening iif you ask me, there are WAY worse business practices than shilling imho. this seems to be more of a case of people with beef/ agenda leveraging an opportunity.
 
Kev, if you look deeper you will find that indeed, the gun business is full of snakes, charlatans and nasty people. I agree that one on one like you describe your hunting trip, gun guys can be great but when it comes to sales and profits they are 180 degrees from that.

I know a designer who had a contract put out on him by a former employer. One of George Vais employees stole the rights for the Vais brakes out from under George to the point he couldn't even use his own name to sell muzzle brakes. AAC hired Gemtech's technical drawing guy and then spent the next decade knocking off Gemtech designs.

This kind of behavior is endemic in the gun industry. What goes on up here seems pretty tame in comparison.
 
Franklin_E said:
A friend of mine purchased an NEA that I test fired yesterday. The Trigger group is so out of whack that it will consistently fire bursts of 2-5 rounds with one trigger pull.
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That can happen with soft bench rest primers. I have also seen it happen if the safety sear spring is missing.

Maybe contact NEA directly. I am sure they would be happy to fix it for you. But then again if you insist on slagging them off publically they will tell you to go pound sand?
 
Suputin said:
That can happen with soft bench rest primers. I have also seen it happen if the safety sear spring is missing.

Maybe contact NEA directly. I am sure they would be happy to fix it for you. But then again if you insist on slagging them off publically they will tell you to go pound sand?
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I personally think problems should be made public. This way if everyone reports their problems we all know the scale of a given problem. At the same time, when NEA makes it right that should also be made public. It goes both ways.
 
KevinB said:
So I just found out about the NEA Shilling today.

I was in Texas near Laredo for the last week hunting with folks. Most where gun Industry. Chris and Amanda Barrett, Ronnie Barrett's kids for those who did not know. Also one of the owners of CMMG and his girlfriend (who shot a big rattler and won the snake competition). 'Dr' Drake Clarke from Magpul, Marty and his crew from Badger Ordnance, Kel from GemTech, and a bunch of others - About 60 folks in all.

We had a great time, everyone was cool with each other.

At the time I though damn, we have a great industry, we compete, but it's fair open and honest.

I work for KAC, I'm pretty clear about it, and every website has my contact info in the sig line.

The idea that a company would make a shill
Account speaks volumes to me about their integrity, and their product.

I generally do not take shots at folks in Industry, but NEA's actions sicken me.

As soon as you cross the line on integrity it's a slippery slope, next stop is where?

Do your homework as a gun buying public, and vote with your wallets
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You work in the "industry" and know and hunt with people in the "industry".....wow.
Nice shooting by the way.....but NEA's a pretty easy target right now.
 
JoeOnePack said:
I personally think problems should be made public. This way if everyone reports their problems we all know the scale of a given problem. At the same time, when NEA makes it right that should also be made public. It goes both ways.
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The manufacturer should be given a chance to correct the problem before the public slagging starts. Who knows what might cause any given problem? Maybe it is user error or a very minor thing that was overlooked. #### happens sometimes and it isn't fair to any manufacturer to air dirty laundry without giving them a chance to make the problem right.

It is easy to sit back and lob insults, accusations and derision upon a maker when one has no clue what goes in to designing and building a given product.
 
I don't buy NEA.

I wasn't interested when they first started the "teaser" vids, and I'm much less interested now.

I also don't recommend them to anyone. When People ask about an AR I suggest Norinco (If they're on a budget) or I start throwing out american made if they have a higher budget or no budget at all.
 
ColassalEntry said:
I don't buy NEA.

I wasn't interested when they first started the "teaser" vids, and I'm much less interested now.

I also don't recommend them to anyone. When People ask about an AR I suggest Norinco (If they're on a budget) or I start throwing out american made if they have a higher budget or no budget at all.
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x2 This is exactly what I do. At least with Norinco you would know you are getting a Chinese made gun instead of rolling the dice and seeing what shows up at your door step.
 
Runningfool said:
I'm glad we are both happy with our ARs but to make a blanket statement that "NEA is junk" makes you sound like someone trying too hard to justify the price you paid for you LMT.
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LMT's justify themselves! Doesn't change the fact that NEA has been letting garbage out the door. No one who is a serious shooter (professional or otherwise) would consider an NEA AR15. PERIOD.
 
angryeyebrows said:
LMT's justify themselves! Doesn't change the fact that NEA has been letting garbage out the door. No one who is a serious shooter (professional or otherwise) would consider an NEA AR15. PERIOD.
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But I presume lots of pros were running LMTs in the first couple of months they were putting rifles out the door?

I wasn't comparing LMT to NEA. I wasnt saying some garbage didn't get out. All I said was that a blanket statement like "NEA is junk" is BS, that's all.

Holy hell, I wish I had been involved in black rifles long enough to witness the perfect and flawless product launches of all of the really good AR manufacturers out there :rolleyes:
 
how hard is it to copy an AR?
if the chinies can do it, it shouldnt be that hard for the canadians. even thou they got help from colt canada they still f**ked up.
anyways IBTL
 
ADK said:
Considering NEA's public admission is only what, 1 or two days old, it's hardly been "dragging on". When you fess up to something (and kudos to them for doing the right thing) you're going to have to expect comments on the situation and not always positive ones at that, and rightly so.
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When there are hundreds of posts saying exactly the same thing, that is dragging on.
 
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