British Commonwealth troops envious of U.S. M1 rifle
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No need to get testy. For starters, the thread is titled British or Commonwealth troops envious of the U.S. M1 Rifle, (also known as a Garand.) The M1 Garand is not a mauser. It is an autoloading rifle. But to address your point, which i assumed to be a comparison between a Mauser and an Enfield, the difference in firepower wouldn't be that pronounced. You are correct that the the capacity of the Lee Enfield is 10 rounds. However, in a combat situation, I wonder if a Brit or Canadian would take the time to load two charger clips to get to his ten round capacity after he had fired his initial ten shots. My thinking is that after the first ten, he would continue loading and firing five round chargers, rather than firing ten rounds, charging twice and firing ten rounds again.
Duker, you were in combat in Korea, was it 10-10-10-etc or was it 10-5-5 etc? I wasn't there, so I wouldn't know, just a guess.
Sunray, yes you are correct, the Australians used SMLE's. My mistake, I guess I was being lazy when I typed same, what I meant was same as in Lee Enfield. In terms of loading and firing, I don't find much difference between the two, other than the sights.
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I think if you read David Bercusons book Blood On the Hills about the Canadian Army in Korea, one of the main points in the book is that Cdn Troops were poorly equipped with the bolt action Enfield (his opinion, not mine). There are many anecdotes and photos showing Cdn troops with unauthorised M2 (full auto) Carbines. As far as the Garand goes, there is not much evidence in the book that they were swapped for the issue Enfields. One distinct advantage is that a partial magazine can be easily topped up on an Enfield, where as the en bloc clip of the Garand means that it must be shot empty before a re-load is possible (although I'm sure someone has probably thought up of a way to top up a partial Garand mag, by a series of complicated and thumb breaking drills, I'm sure they wouldn't be effective in combat).
You might also check in Ted Barris book Deadlock in Korea, also about the Cdn Army in Korea.
You might also check in Ted Barris book Deadlock in Korea, also about the Cdn Army in Korea.
My great uncle served in the U.S army in korea (got the garand thumbs to prove it, hill he was on was overun load and fire fast as you could)
the m1 carbine my favorite rifle! WAS NOT popular when winter hit the little .30 carbine 110 grn bullet had trouble taken down commie troops in thier heavy winter jackets
the m1 carbine my favorite rifle! WAS NOT popular when winter hit the little .30 carbine 110 grn bullet had trouble taken down commie troops in thier heavy winter jackets
nO WAR CRIMES FOR USING SHOT-GUNS IN COMBAT ALTHOUGH THE gERMANS DID PROTEST THE aMERICAN USE OF IT IN WW1 Sorry 'bout the caps, kid just smacked the keys. The U.S. marines recently approved a Benelli semi-auto as their combat shottie, think it was the Argo mechanism.
First CDN contingent destined for Korea was trained with US weapons until it was decided that they would be with the Commonwealth Div. Showed a Korea vet from the third cont. how to load aGarand and he said "that's how you do it". They found a few and were not sure how to load it. He preferred the Bren but liked the .45 and the M1 Carbine.
Really? Because when you posted this reply
When the thread was titled
I didn't think that you did know what a Garand was, as you obviously had it mixed up with a Mauser. Quit being a little peckerhead. All I was trying to do was engage you in dome debate. If you can't stand to be told you are wrong, when you obviously are, then don't bother posting. I make mistakes all the time, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Grow up, boy.
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During WWII most of the bad guys had bolt action rifles as well so it probably wasn't that big a deal back then. But I saw some Korean war vets on TV a while ago and they were not too impressed with having Lee Enfields, especially while on night patrols when they would run into North Korean troops with Chinese made burp guns. They said they felt really handicapped with the bolt action rifle and that the Canadian government let them down by not supplying them with an autoloading or fully automatic weapon.
There's a Korean war vet that comes into our business once a week and we get into some conversations about Korea and what it was like. I brought a Garand and a No4 Mk1* into work one day when I knew he would be in. He loved both of them but commented that in his time over there the M1 was preffered but if he had his druthers he wanted a Thompson or a Grease gun when he was on patrol. He also said much of the equipment he used came from the Americans. Neat old fellah. I look forward to his weekly visits.
Lee Enfields in Korea
I saw the same program too, also most of the books on Canadian involement in Korea, the vets were not happy with the Lee Enfield,there was a shortage of alot of equipment when Canada went to war in Korea,uniforms,modern weapons ammo, proper winter clothing,the U.S .supplied alot of equipment, including trucks, tanks, rations, this shortage of equipment can be blamed on the Liberal Government of Mackenzie King,who at the end of WW2 gutted the Armed Forces of this country, this was the same government that sent poorly trained and equiped troops to Hong Kong in WW2Silverback said:
Deano I mean yes I made a mistake I wasn't being a peckerhead till the last post. I was only mearly stating that I made a mistake and know what those guns are. You were the one replying calling me a peckerhead, even though I was just stating that I knew what they were. I wasn't being a little boy till the last post.
Nope, Moving back home.... Out West.
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Nope, Moving back home.... Out West.
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sunray said:
Tell it to the Marines...
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When were shotguns banned?
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in ww2 the ssf /devils brigade used some canadian and some us gear /wpns......johnson lite mgs, m-1 garands i think? fer example this help?
as to mausers in korea, some chinese /comunist troops used mausers left over from ww2 and there civil war with the chang kia shek regime / from national chines troops.............some were german make others were chinese made mauser copies of dubious quality/safety. not large numbers but were used.
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as to mausers in korea, some chinese /comunist troops used mausers left over from ww2 and there civil war with the chang kia shek regime / from national chines troops.............some were german make others were chinese made mauser copies of dubious quality/safety. not large numbers but were used.
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