Brnos.........?
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Oww in the heck arr they different?
Other than the newmeroh gifted them?
See them in the EE at different deenarrow.
Need sum eddyewmuhkayshun...........................
Speaking from experience with a bit of interpolation...
#1 Earliest iteration of what we know as the "450" series of rifles. Tapered sporter weight barrel. Basic Iron sights.
#2 Similar to #1 but tangent rear sight; virtually identical to the 452.
#3 + #4; I have a number 4, but I think the #3 was a bit lighter version. Globe sight, Aperture rear sight, Optional precision tangent sight. N4 has a straight bull barrel, large stock, long pull length (I restored mine to original length with a chunk of walnut.
#5 Also a full blown target version I think but maybe more delux??
#3 - 5 have a barrel tensioning screw for tuning I think; 3 and 4 for sure.
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I have the whole shebang of sights with my Mod 4; globe, tangent, rear aperture, and scope rings; various inserts including blade type for the tangent sight. Rear sights can be swapped out and it holds zero; scope can also.
It started out as a basket case: View attachment 676944
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Quite a few minor differences and some more obvious. Model 1 (451) came first, the actual date is debated, but lets say around 1946, followed by model 2 (452). 2's had a longer barrel, tangent sights instead of the 3 leaf express sight, a more closed ejection port, an improved trigger and a different safety. 3's were a model 1 action with a heavy barrel and stock to match. 4's were the 2 action and trigger in heavy barrel configuration. 5's (573) were the model 2 action and trigger with a model 1 barrel. I have actually seen several model 5's that say model 1 on the barrel. They simply took a 2 action, screwed a model 1 barrel in and Bob's your uncle. Those are the major differences, lots of little things, like vent hole size location, sights, stock changes, logo positions, etc. Kamlooky you seem to have a fondness for Winnie 69a's, and I agree with you, wonderful old rifles, but for me it's the old Brnos, just kinda magic for me. Hope this helps sort them out a bit.
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Wonderful input on both replies.
The elusiff rear sight one cannot seem to find to replace the missing one on a bawt used rifle.
The newer 452's forth, they as accurate or more so than them of yore?
Thanks for the replies and photos.
The elusiff rear sight one cannot seem to find to replace the missing one on a bawt used rifle.
The newer 452's forth, they as accurate or more so than them of yore?
Thanks for the replies and photos.
Over the past 30 years I have had #1's, 2e, 4, 5, 452 american, 452 scout, 455 scout..... they have all been very accurate. I think they should have stopped "evolving" at the 452 series because since then they haven't gotten any better, they have just been cheapened to ease production.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
Is a bit curious for some - I do not think the BRNO rimfire rifles were made in order - I have a pretty much original BRNO No. 1 - but is "55" on both the barrel and the receiver - left side - which apparently means that was the year it was made - 1955 - so was other models being made and sold at the same time?? So is likely that more than one Model was made at the same time - not that No. 2 replaced No. 1 until replaced with No. 3, etc. I do not think they were made and sold in sequential Model order.
Go here - this seems to be a "blog" that summarizes that outfit's understanding of the history of the BRNO rimfires - I suspect is supposed to be logo's for the three pictures at the bottom - but for some reason, I do not see those ... https://jggunsmith.wordpress.com/2019/09/30/a-bit-about-brno-22-rifles/
Go here - this seems to be a "blog" that summarizes that outfit's understanding of the history of the BRNO rimfires - I suspect is supposed to be logo's for the three pictures at the bottom - but for some reason, I do not see those ... https://jggunsmith.wordpress.com/2019/09/30/a-bit-about-brno-22-rifles/
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Agreed, the rear tangent sight I got kind of fell in my lap; I can't remember if it was the butt plate or the trigger guard, but the guy who responded to my ad had one and had no use for it; so I took it. I actually like shooting with it and a post insert in the globe when I slide the rear aperture on the rifle, all three co-witness; same with an aperture insert in the front. They align 100% without adjustment.
No worries, love my Brno, Love my 452, Also liked my 455 military trainer and my 452 Canadian 17 HMR. The military trainer was surplus to my needs, and while it shot amazingly well, the 17 HMR was lunch-bag-let-down compared to larger varmint calibers. (I'm back to 6.5 x 55 for the past three years after many years of selling my previous 6.5 x 55s).
Here are a couple of pics of my #3 and #4. Pictures are deceiving, both have the same barrel and stock length.
The #3 was manufactured in 1949. It has the less common checkered walnut stock and nipple crown at the end of the barrel. #3’s have hame a palm swell on the fore end. #3’s were manufactured from 1949 to 1956. Most #3’s have a standard crown and non checkered stock with the palm swell.
The #4 was manufactured in 1956. This is also the first year of manufacture.
The #3 was manufactured in 1949. It has the less common checkered walnut stock and nipple crown at the end of the barrel. #3’s have hame a palm swell on the fore end. #3’s were manufactured from 1949 to 1956. Most #3’s have a standard crown and non checkered stock with the palm swell.
The #4 was manufactured in 1956. This is also the first year of manufacture.
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I'm not sure what the importation rules are for importing firearm parts from Australia into Canada or maybe you know someone down under but this shop somehow always has a healthy stock of BRNO spare parts available. With a Model 1 rear sight in stock - https://www.rebelgunworks.com.au/collections/brno.
Came across this write-up on BRNO rifle history awhile back and found it again here... http s://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjHw7aYjNP-AhV9jokEHd9QDZY4HhAWegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fus.v-cdn.net%2F6034073%2Fuploads%2FGK55YBSP8B5G%2Fbrno-rf-rifle-history.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0cnITVwbX6uC_rWho68lOG.
Lot's of knowledgeable folks over at RimfireCentral.c om who can help you out too, they're stickies threads are full of great nuggets. http s://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/the-cz-brno-info-thread.333700/
Came across this write-up on BRNO rifle history awhile back and found it again here... http s://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjHw7aYjNP-AhV9jokEHd9QDZY4HhAWegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fus.v-cdn.net%2F6034073%2Fuploads%2FGK55YBSP8B5G%2Fbrno-rf-rifle-history.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0cnITVwbX6uC_rWho68lOG.
Lot's of knowledgeable folks over at RimfireCentral.c om who can help you out too, they're stickies threads are full of great nuggets. http s://www.rimfirecentral.com/threads/the-cz-brno-info-thread.333700/
Is a MANSOURA" I have one. Just as smooth as any other Brno and shoots great to.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/thre...ansoura-egyptian-or-maybe-a-sub-model.157451/
Along the lines of pre and post 64 Winchesters........
CZ took over Brno around 1988 if my source is correct.
Oui.
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- Okanagan Valley B.C.
257Roberts
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- Peterborough ON
This is a great deal of info.
I have just acquired a BRNO Model 1 with a 5 digit serial # and 57 by the proof mark both on the bbl and receiver.
Did a full disassembly and cleaning all the grease left there. It has hardly been used at all.
The trigger is similar to the old Model 70, unlike some of the ones I have seen on the interweb.
It has a Bakelite but pad with a swirled circle and a Z in the middle, the same cymbal in on the bbl beside the
BRNO MOD 1.
With all the BRNO fans out there I hope that someone could tell be more about this rifle.
Any one know where to pick up a set of 1" scope rings for this Model. It has a wide dovetail.
It's no 257Roberts but a great older rifle.
David
I have just acquired a BRNO Model 1 with a 5 digit serial # and 57 by the proof mark both on the bbl and receiver.
Did a full disassembly and cleaning all the grease left there. It has hardly been used at all.
The trigger is similar to the old Model 70, unlike some of the ones I have seen on the interweb.
It has a Bakelite but pad with a swirled circle and a Z in the middle, the same cymbal in on the bbl beside the
BRNO MOD 1.
With all the BRNO fans out there I hope that someone could tell be more about this rifle.
Any one know where to pick up a set of 1" scope rings for this Model. It has a wide dovetail.
It's no 257Roberts but a great older rifle.
David
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