Bush Survival guns?
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there was a guy bought one back in December and started a thread, I would have thought by now there would be more cropping up, but I haven't seen anything since, I have the same insert set only this is the updated version, as I posted on that thread I ordered mine separately online long time ago when they first came out, accuracy of mine turned out less desirable than I hoped but they are fun for sure but expensive at 450 for the set of 8, u.s plus shipping and duty, mine has no 380 acp but 22 lr instead
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...nally-found-a-survival-rifle-I-can-get-behind
powder burner
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Alberta, Canada
I have a 12 gauge pump with folding rear stock. Fits nicely in the quad box. Have side saddle on receiver for buckshot and slugs. Pack along a few Number 7 shot for grouse or rabbits.Great little package18.5 inch barrel. Ready for anything if you need it.
I'm not quite sure why Chiappa isn't pumping these out and flooding the market. There's a lot of pent up desire for M6 "style" rifles, and putting normal triggers on their version, instead of that silly paddle/lever on the original, makes it a fair bit more usable.
I'd definitely like to add it to my growing (completely unplanned and by accident) collection of survival style rifles/shotguns.
I agree, they would prob sell a ton of them, i don't have a lot of use for that gun though, it looks a little sketch to me, the 22 barrel looks like a pencil diameter, and that stock looks like a foam p.o.s. that will disintegrate before too long especially in Canadian elements, however i have never saw one in person so all my opinion.
good grief grelmar you have a unplanned accidental family of must have survival guns as well? lol, oh well, variety is the spice of life.......now where can i find the 7.62 x 39 adapter for my 12 gauges that i have always "needed" to ummmm, complete my collection....yeah that's it complete it, NOT!!
It all started with an 870 shortie... Then a Little Badger followed me home from Crappy Tire one day. That JW15a backpacker? Takes the same mags as my CZ, so that was just a natural. The Warrior Backpacker 12guage was a complete (but happy) accident. And just how could I say no to that ###y Ricol short barrel O/U? That Papoose was just asking for a nice home...
I came within inches of picking up an AR7 today... On the way home from the range when I stopped by NoSale Sports to replenish my ammo...
coleman1495
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Whitecourt
Little Badger in .22WMR. Not the best for bear defense but better than a .22lr or foul language. Very simple and compact.
Another option is a Warrior/ Armed Backpacker shotgun. Very simple and inexpensive.
Another option is a Warrior/ Armed Backpacker shotgun. Very simple and inexpensive.
Outcast
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Bears are unpredictable creatures... You should be more concerned about the humans living off the grid hiding from the world. Don't think my tinfoil hat is too tight.. But there are plenty of crazy people living in remote locations. You may just stumble across one. If calling 911 is not an option ( not that it helps) you must be prepared to defend yourself. My new go to shotgun for hiking canoeing whatever is my Sap6.
I recommend taking 2 guns, actually:
* savage rascal synthetic stock or little badger in .22 LR for plinking and small game
* corwin arms warrior 20 gauge for everything else
this will cover you for everything except distance shooting.
the badger weighs like 2 lbs and folds so small you likely won't notice it
if you can handle a bit more weight/size,
the Savage .22 rascal with synthetic stock is a great choice instead of the badger, especially for plinking with the kids.
* savage rascal synthetic stock or little badger in .22 LR for plinking and small game
* corwin arms warrior 20 gauge for everything else
this will cover you for everything except distance shooting.
the badger weighs like 2 lbs and folds so small you likely won't notice it
if you can handle a bit more weight/size,
the Savage .22 rascal with synthetic stock is a great choice instead of the badger, especially for plinking with the kids.
How about a short barrel Rem 760/7600 in 30-06? Faster loading than a bolt gun, accurate, hard hitting and the pump is less likely to give you problems than a semi. That's what I am working on for Black and Grizzly defence up in my neighbourhood.
lol, those pesky ammo trips can turn out costing a fortune
awesome, fun stuff, that ricol short o/u is a gem, it has been calling my name for quite some time........the 7 hundo to get it to my house is the tough pill to swallow for me, but I really want it.
what a fantastic world it would be if we could just carry our restricteds in the woods, 44 mag holstered for bear defense and a ar15 on the shoulder for plinking........sorry, got to daydreaming there
A friend has a Chiappa Ranch Hand (Mare's Leg knockoff) in .44mag. I shot a few rounds out of it and that was enough for me. .44 mag in a pistol is manageable, in a Mare's Leg/Ranch Hand... Notsomuch. Grip angle is all wrong, and your middle finger ends up getting smashed around by the loop lever.
But it can be holstered. It is NR. And bruising on my middle finger would be the least of my worries if I ever did have to take a shot at a bear. The problem for me, would be practice. I wouldn't want to depend on a gun I couldn't practice with, a lot, and a .44 Mare's Leg would be no fun to practice with.
I still vote, overall, for a 12 gauge shortie pump as the go to bush survival gun. Simple, reliable, easy controls, large muscle motions for loading and firing (you don't want anything fiddly if you're panicking), and you can lay down a whallop in a hurry just by pumping and working the trigger.
If you're truly scared, the simpler, easier to manipulate, the better.
And the undeniable advantage of being able to fire off flares. I'll go hiking without a gun. But not without a flare pack. Flares are what save lives when you get into trouble in the bush more than anything.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The suitability of any particular survival gun is dependent upon one's individual circumstances, how one defines survival, and the circumstances which leads one to be in survival mode. In other words, is this a planned long duration wilderness adventure, or an unexpected misadventure; the result of becoming lost, or having your primary transportation sink, become disabled, or crash, or the scheduled float plane fails to appear on the day your food runs out. Mostly survival in the wilderness relates to one's ability to acquire food rather than to your ability to fend of attacks from wild animals. If a misadventure leaves you injured, this further complicates your food gathering ability. In many areas across the country, fishing gear and snare wire is the correct answer, and should always be included in one's survival kit, along with a tent, an axe and wood matches. A 12 ga shotgun is often heralded as the end all and be all of survival guns, and one must acknowledge the versatility of the shotgun and the wide array of ammo available for it, but in a survival situation the weight is finite. If the weight of 25 shotshells is compared to a brick of .22 LR, it is apparent that we can survive twenty times longer with a .22. Personally though, I believe the best choice lies somewhere in the middle.
First though, we need to dismiss the idea that hunting regulations pertain to survival, they do not, and for this reason, I believe that a small centerfire rifle trumps the .22 rimfire or the shotgun. Loaded with nonexpanding bullets, the centerfire rifle can take small game and game birds at close range. With full power soft point loads you can take migratory birds like geese or sandhill cranes at longish ranges, and big game should you encounter any, thereby increasing your food getting potential 10 fold over the traditional options. While you can't carry as much centerfire ammo per pound as you can rimfire, you can carry much more small centerfire rifle cartridges than you can shotshells, and the ability of the centerfire rifle to kill at long range trumps the other options.
Ideally the rifle is small, and the cartridge is in the .22 Hornet, .223, or the 6mm or 6.5 TCU class. A 6.5 TCU would seem to be the largest caliber one should consider given the increase in bullet weight for larger rounds, although a 6.8 SPC might be considered. The ideal platform would be something like a Contender equipped with a pistol grip folding stock thereby keeping the weight light and the bulk minimal. A compact scope and a web sling completes the package.
First though, we need to dismiss the idea that hunting regulations pertain to survival, they do not, and for this reason, I believe that a small centerfire rifle trumps the .22 rimfire or the shotgun. Loaded with nonexpanding bullets, the centerfire rifle can take small game and game birds at close range. With full power soft point loads you can take migratory birds like geese or sandhill cranes at longish ranges, and big game should you encounter any, thereby increasing your food getting potential 10 fold over the traditional options. While you can't carry as much centerfire ammo per pound as you can rimfire, you can carry much more small centerfire rifle cartridges than you can shotshells, and the ability of the centerfire rifle to kill at long range trumps the other options.
Ideally the rifle is small, and the cartridge is in the .22 Hornet, .223, or the 6mm or 6.5 TCU class. A 6.5 TCU would seem to be the largest caliber one should consider given the increase in bullet weight for larger rounds, although a 6.8 SPC might be considered. The ideal platform would be something like a Contender equipped with a pistol grip folding stock thereby keeping the weight light and the bulk minimal. A compact scope and a web sling completes the package.
Agreed there! A Tompson center Contender short barrel with a folding stock. Metalic sight in .22 hornet or .223 rem.
I would go as far as 45-70 katadin with folding stock ( if available ) that you could shoot 2.5 inch .410 shotshell for very close small
games !
I would go as far as 45-70 katadin with folding stock ( if available ) that you could shoot 2.5 inch .410 shotshell for very close small
games !
Boomer has made a good outline of survival, I would just like to fill in a few spots. His words of, " an adventure or a misadventure," is a good way to describe a week in the northern wilderness.
When survival comes up all that modern people can talk about is a gun, particularly a gun that will blow apart wild animals they envision as bent on eating you up. Since weight is always a major consideration and if one had to choose between taking a gun or an axe, I would take the axe every time! And no, I didn't dream this up, I got it from the old time trappers and prospectors who spent all their time in the wilderness, whom I once knew. Actually, these men were very efficient, and their packs would always have both an axe and a rifle in them, but invariably, the rifle was a small, single shot 22 and they would start out with two boxes of 22 shorts in their pack. Their packs may vary a bit, from one individual to another, but every single one would have an axe in his pack.
Getting something to eat is only part of survival. One can live for multiple days, or a week or so, without serious harm if they never had a bite to eat. But you can easily perish and die in one night, from hypothermia.
Lets say it is late fall and you are out in a rain, got soaking wet and you can't get back to your camp. After dark the sky clears and temperatures drops to below freezing. If you can't get warm and dry, you will perish over night.
The one tool that can keep you alive is a sharp axe, even the ones that are about 2/3 size, with about a 2.5 pound head and a handle about 30 inches long, because it is absolutely imperative that you get a fire going, so you can warm up and get your clothes dried.
If you are in the position I state, soaking wet, it is cold and you are not going to be able to get to your camp, it is also imperative that you stop before dark and prepare for the night. But that's a different story that we won't go into.
When survival comes up all that modern people can talk about is a gun, particularly a gun that will blow apart wild animals they envision as bent on eating you up. Since weight is always a major consideration and if one had to choose between taking a gun or an axe, I would take the axe every time! And no, I didn't dream this up, I got it from the old time trappers and prospectors who spent all their time in the wilderness, whom I once knew. Actually, these men were very efficient, and their packs would always have both an axe and a rifle in them, but invariably, the rifle was a small, single shot 22 and they would start out with two boxes of 22 shorts in their pack. Their packs may vary a bit, from one individual to another, but every single one would have an axe in his pack.
Getting something to eat is only part of survival. One can live for multiple days, or a week or so, without serious harm if they never had a bite to eat. But you can easily perish and die in one night, from hypothermia.
Lets say it is late fall and you are out in a rain, got soaking wet and you can't get back to your camp. After dark the sky clears and temperatures drops to below freezing. If you can't get warm and dry, you will perish over night.
The one tool that can keep you alive is a sharp axe, even the ones that are about 2/3 size, with about a 2.5 pound head and a handle about 30 inches long, because it is absolutely imperative that you get a fire going, so you can warm up and get your clothes dried.
If you are in the position I state, soaking wet, it is cold and you are not going to be able to get to your camp, it is also imperative that you stop before dark and prepare for the night. But that's a different story that we won't go into.
- Location
- Edmonton Area Ab, Candle Lake Sk
30-30 Lever Action any brand
.303 British Lee Enfield any model
axe , knife, compass, firestarter ,
worked for years, no reason that this would not work now
357
.303 British Lee Enfield any model
axe , knife, compass, firestarter ,
worked for years, no reason that this would not work now
357
a 12ga single shot was for long THE family gun of earliest generations, you could do everything with it, deers / bears / small game hunting ....
same from a 22lr magnum, deers and small game hunting.
for me a 12ga is still the most versatile you can have out there, a good pump action with all the choices of shells out there....., for bear defense put a buckshot - 00 - buckshot - 00 - buckshot !!
you can also buy 12ga inserts for shooting .22lr, .410, .357mag, etc......, another + for a 12ga
same from a 22lr magnum, deers and small game hunting.
for me a 12ga is still the most versatile you can have out there, a good pump action with all the choices of shells out there....., for bear defense put a buckshot - 00 - buckshot - 00 - buckshot !!
you can also buy 12ga inserts for shooting .22lr, .410, .357mag, etc......, another + for a 12ga
