Crusader Arms Crypto

How is this relevant to the point I'm making? How is a polymer lower with a CONVENTIONAL front pin through a lower side to side is any relevant to the discussion of crypto lateral pins fixed in the lower?

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this already happened. Loctite might make it last a bit more, but in general it is a pointless battle. You are loading steel ridged pegs up and down by one end while they are pressed fit by the other end by a few mm into 6061. Thermal expansion is different for 6061 and steel, you take the rifle from -15 to +35 the pins will contract and expand differently from the surrounding 6061. If they are not absolutely perfectly aligned and holes are not perfectly aligned - there will be a misaligned stress to a side of one or another... Practically everything you can think of in this arrangement is trying to break these pins loose from the lower. Would you see these pins break in half? No. Would you see upper or lower holes tear or shear apart? No. But one of the pins will fall out and it will be a pain to fix it back.


Surprisingly, I never even thought of the different materials being an issue. I seen that they had a pin fall out already, but never thought much past that.

I’m curious if threading the pins it instead of simply press fitting them would help with that at all.
 
Surprisingly, I never even thought of the different materials being an issue. I seen that they had a pin fall out already, but never thought much past that.

I’m curious if threading the pins it instead of simply press fitting them would help with that at all.

You would need helicoils to keep these threads in 6061 or some kind of an insert. I doubt they can keep with $999 pricing with extra costs like that ) There is very little space to work around

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So your guess is that the pins are only 2mm into the lower. Which is a guess. And you guess that the system will fail to live up to a role a hunk of plastic can fulfill. Which is a guess.

Any other random guesses.?

Because I like how it goes together.
 

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So your guess is that the pins are only 2mm into the lower. Which is a guess. And you guess that the system will fail to live up to a role a hunk of plastic can fulfill. Which is a guess.

Any other random guesses.?

Because I like how it goes together.
I would love to guess wrong.
 
Ok fine, this is the best arrangement of pins ever seen on a firearm. I'm sure it will be the last thing to fail on a rifle. I'm looking forward to see unbeatable reliability of this design. Please excuse my ignorance.
 
Ok fine, this is the best arrangement of pins ever seen on a firearm. I'm sure it will be the last thing to fail on a rifle. I'm looking forward to see unbeatable reliability of this design. Please excuse my ignorance.

We just want to know where you got the information that only 3mm of the pins are pressed into the receiver? You made a number of edited photos and posts telling us how they are going to fail, but have not provided us with the evidence that they are really only pressed in that small amount. When we look at the photos that you posted of the receiver, it looks like there is more of the pins pressed into the receiver than there is sticking out.

So...where did you find this information?



edit: You know what, I am just going to go ahead and say you pulled the 3mm number out of your behind and all information/arguments you provided after was based off a made up number.
 
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You would need helicoils to keep these threads in 6061 or some kind of an insert. I doubt they can keep with $999 pricing with extra costs like that ) There is very little space to work around

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They are pins. In shear. They don't need to be secure. How do outboards control hundreds of horse power? Off to look at an aluminum pump that uses loose pins to hang off a diesel....

Whenever you talk at meetings does the room let out a huge exhausted sigh?

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Ok fine, this is the best arrangement of pins ever seen on a firearm. I'm sure it will be the last thing to fail on a rifle. I'm looking forward to see unbeatable reliability of this design. Please excuse my ignorance.

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Ok fine, this is the best arrangement of pins ever seen on a firearm. I'm sure it will be the last thing to fail on a rifle. I'm looking forward to see unbeatable reliability of this design. Please excuse my ignorance.
Well ............ your ignorance hasn't noticed that the entire length of the upper receiver. is resting upon the entire length of the lower receiver, which means the forward pins are not going to receive any twisting or torquing forces as you seem to believe. If the were no front pins and only the rear pin installed, the upper would not move one bit due to its own weight or any downward force applied to the muzzle.

I've found it is always best to understand the topic before expounding upon it and making oneself look silly.
 
Well ............ your ignorance hasn't noticed that the entire length of the upper receiver. is resting upon the entire length of the lower receiver, which means the forward pins are not going to receive any twisting or torquing forces as you seem to believe. If the were no front pins and only the rear pin installed, the upper would not move one bit due to its own weight or any downward force applied to the muzzle.

I've found it is always best to understand the topic before expounding upon it and making oneself look silly.
If you believe that front pin does not bear any load why not just remove front pin from you rifle and try to shoot, my friend.
 
If you believe that front pin does not bear any load why not just remove front pin from you rifle and try to shoot, my friend.
The single steel pin, in aluminum, on the font of an AR15 does take load. So will the two steel pins, in aluminum, on the front of the Crypto.

To suggest that the two steel pins on the Crypto is not as strong as the single steel pin on an AR15 is strange.

I’m not trying to be rude, or pick an online scrap, but I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Heck, maybe I don’t know what you’re talking about even.

Is it that you think the pins may work loose and come out during disassembly? - that very much could happen.

That they’ll sheer off from recoil is highly unlikely in my opinion. They appear sufficient, if not overkill, to withstand the forces enacted upon them.

Additionally, there appears to be an aluminum block on the upper that will take some recoil load, transferring those forces into the lower - those pins need only keep the two receivers aligned - there isn’t much force that they’ll take.
 
Yes, I think that pins will walk out of the lower and will be falling out each time you take it apart.
Ah! In that case, it is quite possible.

I plan on being cautious when I take it apart. I likely won’t be doing it in a field.
 
Ordered a receiver set for a C7A2 build, biggest PITA so far is finding a government profile 20" barrel with FSB... anyone have a spare kicking around shoot me a pm.

If anyone has any questions or wants pics of certain things let me know. Ill be happy to share or take measurements...Im even tempted on trying to yank out one of those pins
 
Aero managed to squeeze more metal into their enhanced upper than Colt does.20240909_202125_HDR.jpg20240909_202243_HDR.jpg
All the recoil is transfered through the front of the little loop of aluminum. If you want to deactivate an AR in a hurry you open it and twist it apart. Takes a pair of hands and a knee. First one I did was an eye opener. The black/grey is a Colt upper.
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Look at the block that transfers recoil.
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The tolerances are tight enough that a .010" feeler gauge prevents the rear pin from going through the upper. I will admit that there is some machining blemishes and cosmetic ugliness. Sure to be a deal breaker to some and I hope it gets better after the initial production surge slows. I really don't care because the places I want perfect are. My IBI barrel fit perfect. No shimming or flange sealant required. Probably the tightest I have seen and same with the barrel nut threads. No slop with the Aero nut.
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Crypto round hole.

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You might not be able to make it out but ARs have a slightly elongated rear pin hole to accommodate multi manufacturer tolerances. This prevents the lug from transfering recoil. I remember USAR armourers bushing and reaming the two lugs chasing accuracy. Which would make them weaker but must have been strong enough.


Looking at the pins I am going to assume Crusader was not smoking crack and they go into the lower at minimum the same half inch they stick out. I would assume a press fit because that would work and be fast...and work. 20240909_202638.jpg
The lower is not short on metal anywhere. There is no need to cheat and go a couple mm deep.

I have noticed the crusader is less sensitive to bipod placement than ARs are. I can only guess it is the lack of slop between upper and lower. Before I found getting the bipod back towards the magwell worked best for consistent POI. This Crypto doesn't seem to care. Pushed out front and bagged at the rear it works like a bolt gun.

I can't speak to the complete guns Crusader is selling, only to the spine.
 

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