Crusader Arms Crypto

Bud-eh said:
Sorry for slightly off topic but just thinking about the short term fate of the Crypto lol.
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If you believe the CPC will roll the OIC's back then you might as well buy one now. Worst case is it sits in your safe for a year while things get sorted. Better to have one when they are available than wait and see then not be able to buy one in a year.

If you can't afford a safe queen for a year, then you really can't afford the gun at all and should work on sorting that part out first while waiting to see how 2025 plays out.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
If you believe the CPC will roll the OIC's back then you might as well buy one now. Worst case is it sits in your safe for a year while things get sorted. Better to have one when they are available than wait and see then not be able to buy one in a year.

If you can't afford a safe queen for a year, then you really can't afford the gun at all and should work on sorting that part out first while waiting to see how 2025 plays out.


Mark
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This is true, to go a little further if the OICs are rolled back (which is the least I expect based on the CPC rhetoric thus far) then there may be other options (better options?) available.

But, as the saying goes "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"
 
Bud-eh said:
So what are the odds the Crypto skirts through the lib bans entirely? We could (hopefully) be getting an early election late Jan/early Feb, but the next round of OIC is scheduled for late Feb right? Will this just get cancelled and not happen if the Cons. get in beforehand?

Sorry for slightly off topic but just thinking about the short term fate of the Crypto lol.
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Short answer, it *may* get through this ban (like many of the evil black rifles did after the first OIC in 2020) but it will be included in the next ban, or the ban after that. You get the picture. This one way negotiation never stops.

Longer, hopefully better, answer is as you allude to, the good ship Liberal has hit turbulent waters and is sinking. The question now is does the evil gun file (which has been a cornerstone for Liberal wedge issues / generating votes from the uninformed scared sheep) become:

More important (ie they increase action & focus on it as they feel that effort will be the best return in terms of votes for the upcoming Federal election, if this is the path forward then expect all kinds of scare tactics and draconian measures)

Or

Less important (as they feel that it doesn't warrant effort and the focus should go elsewhere in which case this quietly drops off).
 
Not that I'm against having one but how the heck is a 22lr with a plastic shell that looks like a bad gun banned as a variant but a firearm that uses all the parts from it is good to go? I feel like the Crypto is the football in Charlie Brown and Lucy is about to yank it away if I try to kick it.
 
HeadDamage said:
Not that I'm against having one but how the heck is a 22lr with a plastic shell that looks like a bad gun banned as a variant but a firearm that uses all the parts from it is good to go? I feel like the Crypto is the football in Charlie Brown and Lucy is about to yank it away if I try to kick it.
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These guns are banned on looks / aesthetics. The people banning them have no clue beyond that.

I agree that it is an anomaly that the Crypto was not banned. A similar anomaly happened at the previous OIC when the X95 (for example) wasn't banned (there were all kinds of mental gymnastics as to why it and others "slipped through" but in the end I believe it was simply missed on that occasion). You will note that is no longer the case......

So if history is anything to go by.....
 
Yea I realize any current and future OICs can be reversed eventually but I am wondering if the Crypto will slip by and not make it on an OIC at all because the OIC gets cancelled... That would provide a nice semi auto option for us to use in the short term while we wait for the other funs to get unbanned.

I know its hard to predict whats gonna happen, but I am specifically wondering what happens to an upcoming OIC right before a change in government (if we are lucky and that actually happens soon). Do planned OICs get cancelled?
 
Bud-eh said:
Yea I realize any current and future OICs can be reversed eventually but I am wondering if the Crypto will slip by and not make it on an OIC at all because the OIC gets cancelled... That would provide a nice semi auto option for us to use in the short term while we wait for the other funs to get unbanned.

I know its hard to predict whats gonna happen, but I am specifically wondering what happens to an upcoming OIC right before a change in government (if we are lucky and that actually happens soon). Do planned OICs get cancelled?
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From what I understand OICs are instant / easy (ie the Government could literally decide today that they wish to ban Cryptos or whatever and with the stroke of a pen create an OIC to do so) so they are not really planned in the traditional sense like legislation would be (ie Bill C21) which get debated / discussed / voted on.

Basically bills are slow to create and are more likely to get cancelled as they are much more involved / intensive to create than OICs.

Someone will correct me if I am mistaken but the flip side of this is that OICs are easier to undo, legislation passed via other means is much harder.
 
From the first OIC, I wish I had bought a few rifles. I didn't think the government would ban so much of them. Now we're here. Buy it.

I'm sure that PP will have his MPs working on new firearms legislation to free up these firearms but who knows how long that will take.
 
wrangler4867 said:
My understanding is everything stops. Only what was already set in motion continues. I could be wrong.
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From what I understand from the gov websites is that all items tabled that hasn't received royal ascent dies on the floor. ie new bills have to be reintroduced as if it was the first time. There are exemptions but the more I read into the more I my head hurt. There wasn't any mention specifically of OICs so I'm genuinely reaching out.
 
wrangler4867 said:
My understanding is everything stops. Only what was already set in motion continues. I could be wrong.
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"House is prorogued, no documents may be tabled until the first day of the new session. If documents requested through an Order of the House or an Address to the Governor General have not been tabled at the time of prorogation, the requests carry over from session to session within the same Parliament. They are considered to have been readopted at the start of the new session without requiring a motion to that effect.128 Requests for government responses to committee reports and petitions survive in the same manner.129 Prorogation will not have any effect on e-petitions, except for the inevitable delay in presenting e-petitions to the House or in receiving a government response to an e-petition."

So I'm hoping if Jagmeet decides to call no-confidence and causes the government to fall, or Trudeau prorogues parliament causing a halt to official house proceedings which upon completion, Jag calls for a motion of no confidence (proroguing essentially delays the enviable), that the crypto for now is safe as long as no OIC or addendums can be introduced during a prorogation
 
floman said:
"House is prorogued, no documents may be tabled until the first day of the new session. If documents requested through an Order of the House or an Address to the Governor General have not been tabled at the time of prorogation, the requests carry over from session to session within the same Parliament. They are considered to have been readopted at the start of the new session without requiring a motion to that effect.128 Requests for government responses to committee reports and petitions survive in the same manner.129 Prorogation will not have any effect on e-petitions, except for the inevitable delay in presenting e-petitions to the House or in receiving a government response to an e-petition."

So I'm hoping if Jagmeet decides to call no-confidence and causes the government to fall, or Trudeau prorogues parliament causing a halt to official house proceedings which upon completion, Jag calls for a motion of no confidence (proroguing essentially delays the enviable), that the crypto for now is safe as long as no OIC or addendums can be introduced during a prorogation
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Yea, what he said. Lol
 
Bud-eh said:
So what are the odds the Crypto skirts through the lib bans entirely? We could (hopefully) be getting an early election late Jan/early Feb, but the next round of OIC is scheduled for late Feb right? Will this just get cancelled and not happen if the Cons. get in beforehand?

Sorry for slightly off topic but just thinking about the short term fate of the Crypto lol.
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Dont think anyone knows the odds. Early election is best case scenario. Hopefully the no FRT because if the mags keeps it out. I got the receiver on order…. Tryna make the perfect build waitn for next announcement
 
floman said:
So I'm hoping if Jagmeet decides to call no-confidence and causes the government to fall, or Trudeau prorogues parliament causing a halt to official house proceedings which upon completion, Jag calls for a motion of no confidence (proroguing essentially delays the enviable), that the crypto for now is safe as long as no OIC or addendums can be introduced during a prorogation
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OICs aren't acts of Parliament and can be introduced during a prorogued session.
 
Sniffer said:
From what I understand OICs are instant / easy (ie the Government could literally decide today that they wish to ban Cryptos or whatever and with the stroke of a pen create an OIC to do so) so they are not really planned in the traditional sense like legislation would be (ie Bill C21) which get debated / discussed / voted on.

Basically bills are slow to create and are more likely to get cancelled as they are much more involved / intensive to create than OICs.

Someone will correct me if I am mistaken but the flip side of this is that OICs are easier to undo, legislation passed via other means is much harder.
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Exactly. The OIC can be done any time they want. LeBlanc's word means nothing. He also said that there was going to be no ban last year until suddenly there was. The Crypto is also likely to make it onto the FRT soon by RCMP.

Simply put get out and shoot while you can and vote the conservatives in when the election comes.
 
The Crypto was designed after C21 and in compliance with C21 by having proprietary magazines only designed for 5 rounds. It follows exactly what C21 laid out for newly designed firearms. If they add it to the ban list, they are circumventing their own law, which should nullify everything.
 
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