Crusader Arms Crypto

"how does that affect my statement that the magwell design is not related to the ar15 ban?"
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You are claiming that simply changing how the upper and lower pin together is enough to call it "Not an AR-15".

Clearly that is not the case. You need more than that.
 
AlwaysLostInTheWoods said:
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I think the receiver set looks more intencing that the whole rifle. Better to use parts that I know and trust rather than going full build. Anyone else thinking of pulling the trigger on the receiver only?
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I would but my only concerns are sourcing a reasonably priced 18.6" barrel, one that wont push the costs above just buying the full rifle, and also properly headspacing the barrel and bolt, never done that before. Plus go/no go gauges, reaction rod, torque wrench etc would also push the costs up... imo stripped upper/lowers are ideal for those that have ARs cus the parts will literally be drop in.
PinaKaleada said:
I’m curious why they didn’t wait for RCMP’s OK before selling any of this
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Because they dont have to? And also the "no refunds btw". The customers will be the ones stuck with paperweights if they decide to ban.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
You are claiming that simply changing how the upper and lower pin together is enough to call it "Not an AR-15".

Clearly that is not the case. You need more than that.
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The main problem ATRS ran into was referencing AR10 which went from NR to Prohib, this does not seem to be following that formula.
Those dowel pins at the front need to be roll pinned in place to the lower in a similar fashion to gas blocks on AR barrels.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
We can certainly point you to the OIC that says AR-15s are prohibited.

The only thing making this "not an AR-15" is the fact that it can't take regular AR-15 magazines;
But then you want to modify it so it can take regular AR-15 magazines.

That would make it an AR-15.
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It will always be designed for 5 rounds, and that seems to be the requirement. Plus the fact the lowers and uppers don't interchange with standard ar. When it comes to modifying firearms and as a result changing their classification, that change is always the result of a law that exists. I do not think there is a law that exists that rules on modifying the magwell of a firearm, like there is for things like reducing overall length, reducing barrel length, aftermarket bullpup stocks, etc.

It must have approval or else I find it hard to imagine cru would be selling them as NR and taking cash. But hey they could be absolutely crazy and crooked....
 
It must have approval or else I find it hard to imagine cru would be selling them as NR and taking cash. But hey they could be absolutely crazy and crooked....
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There hasn't been any approval. But there is this;

"No Refunds beyond 48hours of your order"
 
Dexter Morgan said:
There hasn't been any approval. But there is this;

"No Refunds beyond 48hours of your order"
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No refunds after 48 hours is translating to "You're going to find big problems with the specs of this product and you'll be stuck with it because we don't give a f*ck."
*Warranty on these are limited to Factory Defect Only (we can not be responsible for a rifle we do not assemble)
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Let's just highlight a few more things that are clearly visible to everyone who looks at the products webpage.
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The highlighted area's are just the most immediate things that stood out when giving the images a quick glance over and I'm left with great concerns regarding the internal machining "quality"

As for the YT video.....
The rifle is only pictured firing at most 3 cartridges in a row (Because magazine is faulty!)
Admits the 3d printed magazines are "not all that robust" @ 9:55...
The rifle appears to be operated bone dry with no lubrication, anyone who knows AR15/AR10 pattern rifles can tell the sound of a dry bolt cycling, zero lubrication on bolt visible when rifle is disassembled and guy in video
This part @ 11:00 "Because they are always listening to the customers in regard to making improvements"........ LOL BS.

Good lord it's painful listening to that slob in the video shilling away this pile of garbage.
 
Gunnerlove said:
If I can make a BCL kit work reliably I will be fine.
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I don't think it is so much a question of making it work, as it is what kind of POS will you be left with once the fun of building is done? Those machining inconsistencies are cause for considerable concern about the quality of the interior finish. Just saying....
 
I think the only real benefit is making “clone” rifles and blasting away in the back country, if I had the funds and know how I’d make an m16a1 clone that looks good from 10 feet away out of that receiver set
 
b-wingpilot said:
After dealing with the RCMP SFSS, I can say pretty confidently say that they will determine this is an AR-15 variant. It is essentially an ATRS Modern Sporter, which in the RCMP’s opinion is an AR-10/AR-15 variant.

Good on them for going ahead and ignoring the RCMP and selling it anyway, and I hope it all works out for them, but buyer beware.
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I don’t think you can sell a gun without an frt. this is part of the new laws. I’d be surprised they got one so fast. From what I’ve seen it takes 2 years to submit and get one. If they are selling without an frt I’m pretty sure they are breaking the law.


Quick google search found me this. Not sure where the actual law is.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-saf...s-to-protect-canadians-from-gun-violence.html

“Importantly, codifying the definition in law, as well as adding a requirement to obtain Firearms Reference Table (FRT) numbers through regulatory amendments, would clarify classification of firearms for gun industry and ensure that no firearm is unaccounted for in the classifications process.

To do this, the Government proposes to use existing regulation making authorities under the Firearms Act to close a regulatory gap where firearms that enter the Canadian market are misclassified. It would also ensure that the Government is aware of the presence of new makes and models of firearms before their entry into the domestic market and that classifications are applied correctly.“
 
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After seeing first hand the templar bolt release broke apart after 60 rounds and that guy who had his new crux blow up, I wouldnt trust crusader arm with anything.

With that said im happy to see how the new law are being circumvented.
 
I handled a complete rifle yesterday and the upper/lower stripped kit. The complete rifle was well made in its range and felt light in the hands.
I've been working with C8s and owning ARs for going on 20 years. The lock up between the upper and lower was better then many ARs I've handled. I compete in 3Gun with a restricted CZ Bren but I'm considering going to a restricted Crypto regardless of the 5 round mags to have better cross training with my work C8. Without having shot the Crypto build I'm already confident it'll shoot better then my 2.25" MOA at 100yd 11" CZ Bren. So long as it performs all its other actions well I think it's a winner for anything we have that's comparable. I've lost lots of money on suddenly banned things and even have $2,500 invested into an ATRS that's never been delivered to me. Life's short. If your money is too don't buy.
 
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