Crusader Arms Crypto

Personally, IF I were inclined to buy one? I would still insist on it having an NR FRT entry beforehand. No way I want to be the first guy trying to explain to a CO or Constable that my semi-auto AR-clone in the wild is actually NR....
 
Bartok5 said:
Personally, IF I were inclined to buy one? I would still insist on it having an NR FRT entry beforehand. No way I want to be the first guy trying to explain to a CO or Constable that my semi-auto AR-clone in the wild is actually NR....
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This is my viewpoint exactly. I don't mind gambling the money on the basis of quality, but I can't afford to catch a charge, even if I were to eventually win. If it gets an FRT it's an easy sell for me.
 
zupermann said:
Crusader should be focusing on getting their existing rifle line out in a timely manner, AND dealing with whatever QC issues that arise rather than introducing new lines. Then again, maybe that ship has sailed.
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Agree completely. They should consolidate their existing lines and focus on improving QC, QA, communications and follow-up before adding even more products to their line.
 
Guys I just had a realization. I am also on the fence and dont want to end up with a $2k paper weight. But IF the clowns slap the ol' varient sticker on it, we can just buy Raven builder kits and we are back up and running.

Yes its an expensive way to end up with a Raven, but this is worst case ontario and you'd "only" have a $1k prohib paper weight (crypto receiver), but still a useable rifle (Raven with Crypto parts).
 
Bud-eh said:
Guys I just had a realization. I am also on the fence and dont want to end up with a $2k paper weight. But IF the clowns slap the ol' varient sticker on it, we can just buy Raven builder kits and we are back up and running.

Yes its an expensive way to end up with a Raven, but this is worst case ontario and you'd "only" have a $1k prohib paper weight (crypto receiver), but still a useable rifle (Raven with Crypto parts).
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Technically, if they make it into an AR variant, the feds will buy (read: steal) it from you for $1300ish too if the buyback ever goes through, so you're only actually gambling $700ish.

(I don't know the state of those things, so if my understanding of that whole mess is off, please be gentle)
 
ezpkns said:
Technically, if they make it into an AR variant, the feds will buy (read: steal) it from you for $1300ish too if the buyback ever goes through, so you're only actually gambling $700ish.

(I don't know the state of those things, so if my understanding of that whole mess is off, please be gentle)
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Interesting... You think they'd give 1300 for just the bare upper and lower? I see a money making scheme here lol
 
:rolleyes: I've seen better machining at the local technical trades school.

I can't believe there are still Canadians out there willing to risk $k's on "holy crap, that kinda worked!" machine shop tinker projects.
Pass me the popcorn and prove me wrong. Please!
 
owlowl said:
Yeah, this is a huge reason Crypto is a better proposition - it is 99% AR parts. The question is how bad the magazine is and if upper lower are in tolerances to make trigger groups and bolt carriers to run.
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99% chance it's FRT# will class it as a prohibited minutes after the RCMP lab gets hold of one.
 
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ezpkns said:
Technically, if they make it into an AR variant, the feds will buy (read: steal) it from you for $1300ish
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I doubt anyone will see any money for their confiscated guns.

After being in their inventory for investigation if it's been used in a crimes and the backlog of 3-5 yrs, you'll be lucky if you get a newly invented $100 public safety tax credit.

Confiscation without renumeration has been already established when it comes to guns and those of us old enough to remember.
 
"Yes its an expensive way to end up with a Raven, but this is worst case scenario and you'd "only" have a $1k prohib paper weight (crypto receiver), but still a useable rifle (Raven with Crypto parts)."
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That is by no means your "worst case scenario".
Worst case scenario is getting caught with one of these, and facing prohibited weapons charges.

Keep in mind; This is not something that you bought legally, before the 2020 OIC.
It will not have any of the amnesty protections of your previously bought guns.

If this is deemed to be an AR-15; Then the sale itself is illegal for both the buyer and the seller.
Never mind the additional charges for getting caught using it in the bush.
 
Bud-eh said:
I would but my only concerns are sourcing a reasonably priced 18.6" barrel, one that wont push the costs above just buying the full rifle, and also properly headspacing the barrel and bolt, never done that before. Plus go/no go gauges, reaction rod, torque wrench etc would also push the costs up... imo stripped upper/lowers are ideal for those that have ARs cus the parts will literally be drop in.

Because they dont have to? And also the "no refunds btw". The customers will be the ones stuck with paperweights if they decide to ban.
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AR15 barrels and bolts are headspaced from the factory, no need to worry about headspace or buy go/no go gauges (TNA Does rent them out if you want to double check). Good point on the reaction rod though, as I am not sure if the Cryptos upper would fit the standard clamp around vise mount.
 
This is "kinda" true. In reality it does make a difference if the receiver is out of spec.

The sitting of the barrel extension into the upper receiver thread portion of the extension with the index slot affects headspace. I have diagnosed some of these issues in the past including a factory Colt AR15A3 from the Y2K era. If headspace is not correct, some accurate issue starts happening, it is the easiest sign to start connecting the dots.

If there is a gap between the barrel extension and the upper receiver ledge, it is better to check headspace.

Headspace goes in 3 gauges IIRC - go, no go and field. At least check no go and field. Theoretically in a perfectly in spec receiver, there is no reason to check headspace. But as soon as you see something that is a bit off, check head space.

These issues happened more than often in the notorious time frame from late 90's to mid/late 2000's - due to general lack of quality control on the "important" spec bhy many contractors and also the war rush.

But I haven't seen or heard of these issues in the US rifles in the last 10 years as much.

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AR15 barrels and bolts are headspaced from the factory, no need to worry about headspace or buy go/no go gauges (TNA Does rent them out if you want to double check). Good point on the reaction rod though, as I am not sure if the Cryptos upper would fit the standard clamp around vise mount.
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greentips said:
The sitting of the barrel extension into the upper receiver thread portion of the extension with the index slot affects headspace. I
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No it doesn't.

AR15 headspace is governed by the bolt, barrel extension and the chamber. IF the barrel fitment into the upper receiver was really off, the bolt wouldn't lock up properly, which would prevent the rifle from firing. When the bolt locks into the barrel extension lugs, the headspace will be correct, on a correctly manufactured / chambered barrel.
 
ezpkns said:
Technically, if they make it into an AR variant, the feds will buy (read: steal) it from you for $1300ish too if the buyback ever goes through, so you're only actually gambling $700ish.

(I don't know the state of those things, so if my understanding of that whole mess is off, please be gentle)
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Nope. If it didn't exist when the OiC was passed it is not eligible for the amnesty or the buyback. You'd just have an unregistered prohib on your hands, and all the fun stuff that comes with it (potential charges, etc etc).

IMO selling a gun without an FRT and just ASSUMING the feds are going to call it NR when they get around to giving it an FRT is stupid. Not as stupid as dropping $2000 on a pre-order for a gun without an FRT though... And that is without considering the reliability and durability of most of the other of Canadian Made AR-ish rifles...
 
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Calling this gun "non-restricted" is a pretty big stretch of the truth.

Non-classified would be a more accurate and fair description.
 
Suther said:
Nope. If it didn't exist when the OiC was passed it is not eligible for the amnesty or the buyback. You'd just have an unregistered prohib on your hands, and all the fun stuff that comes with it (potential charges, etc etc).

IMO selling a gun without an FRT and just ASSUMING the feds are going to call it NR when they get around to giving it an FRT is stupid. Not as stupid as dropping $2000 on a pre-order for a gun without an FRT though... And that is without considering the reliability and durability of most of the other of Canadian Made AR-ish rifles...
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Oh, I didn't know about that provision. That sucks.
 
While I applaud manufacturers coming up with options I don't think this is the option for me. They have enough issues with their other guns which I wanted to like. That combined with the very high chances this gets prohib attached as soon as it goes to the RCMP / I don't have the money for court bills if someone looks at it differently.
 
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