Elk or black bear with 223 softpoint?

[pharaoh2]

i prefer a acq treated 4x4 thats about 4 feet long. it's the log equivalent of a 45-70

That thing would never cut it on the open prairie. Heck, next thing you know, some guy is going to ask about hunting elk and bear with a #2 pencil or a 12 inch length of dowel. The 2x4 should be the legal minimum.

 

[Lazy Ike]

Unless you live in a town that has been affected by the anti Canadian softwood BS that the USA is dishing out.
Then you really don't know what your talking about.

I'll admit i've never beaten a bear to death with wood. I'm all too famliar with Illegal American protectionist trade policy but thats another topic.

 

['Boo]

i prefer a acq treated 4x4 thats about 4 feet long. it's the log equivalent of a 45-70

If you are using ACQ rather than CCA treated lumber make damn sure all your accessories are mounted with stainless or epoxy coated fasteners. That damn ACQ eats right through steel and galvanized fasteners with less than a G185 rating.

 

[BIGREDD]

Anyone have experience hunting elk or black bear with soft point 223? I would be inclined to say not the right round but I am not the most experienced in this subject. Can a varmint round be successful with a larger animal is the question I guess. Thanks for any experience advice.

Well no but I have used them extensively on varmints. And even though the .223 is considered a good varmint caliber I saw too many wounded coyotes and went to a larger caliber.
Elk is the toughest deer on the continent and .270 cal is considered the absolute minimum by the majority of hunters out there.
I know a pile of bear hunters and they would all say that a .223 is too light for clean one shot kills 100% of the time on bears.
Short answer is... in expert hands with premium bullets under perfect conditions it can be done... but why the hell would you want to? And what exactly are you proving?

 

[todbartell]

for large game Id suggest moving up to at least the 222 Remington Magnum

 

[Calum]

I'll admit i've never beaten a bear to death with wood. I'm all too famliar with Illegal American protectionist trade policy but thats another topic.

True, and sorry to digress.

For the record I prefer whatever type of wood that is holding my rifle barrel in the Bears direction at the time.

 

[K98]

I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a deer, elk, moose, bear with a .223 if for some reason that's all I had on me but if that's what I was specifically hunting a .223 would not be my choice.

 

[uphere]

for large game Id suggest moving up to at least the 222 Remington Magnum

are you serious?

this winter i came close enough to a moose to kill it with a .223

 

[gitrdun]

are you serious?

this winter i came close enough to a moose to kill it with a .223

The questions is....are you for real?

 

[crazy_davey]

are you serious?

this winter i came close enough to a moose to kill it with a .223

Close doesn't count. A .223 is a very poor choice for moose, no matter who does it.

 

[todbartell]

I could kill a moose at 400 yards with a 222 Remington Magnum

 

[gitrdun]

I could kill a moose at 400 yards with a 222 Remington Magnum

And you don't even shave yet.....impressive.

 

[todbartell]

I have a fricken beard, and very little target practice, like my hero, ROA's brother

 

[RobSmith]

Kinda makes you wonder how the old boys managed to take all sorts of big game with 30-30 or 44-40 ... I guess "modern" big game needs the latest and greatest super-duper-doodad-extra-ultra-magnum-WSSM-caliber to go down these days (which needs to be replaced every year with the newer version of the above).... I guess the hides must be getting thicker as they evolve, sort of a natural bulletproofing ....

 

[gitrdun]

I have a fricken beard, and very little target practice, like my hero, ROA's brother

LOL Tod .... I knew you'd pick up on that

 

[todbartell]

target practice is for the weak

 

[Republic of Alberta]

Bartell IS my little brother, mom and dad left him in the mountains when I was 6. A sasquach named Gatehouse found him and the rest is CGN history.

 

[powder burner]

I could kill a moose at 400 yards with a 222 Remington Magnum

Thats it?

I knocked over a grizzly with my sling shot. Nailed em right between the lookers. He had blue eyes. One blue this way, one blue that way. ONLY ONE SHOT. Went in for a finishing shot with my trusty red rider BB gun with a compass in the stock, and a leather tassle.

 

[gitrdun]

Bartell IS my little brother, mom and dad left him in the mountains when I was 6. A sasquach named Gatehouse found him and the rest is CGN history.

Now....I don't care WHO you are, that's G'damned funny, especially when the sasquatch wears a fargin' tutu.

 

[Gatehouse]

Kinda makes you wonder how the old boys managed to take all sorts of big game with 30-30 or 44-40 ... I guess "modern" big game needs the latest and greatest super-duper-doodad-extra-ultra-magnum-WSSM-caliber to go down these days (which needs to be replaced every year with the newer version of the above).... I guess the hides must be getting thicker as they evolve, sort of a natural bulletproofing ....

Well, you gotta use what you have! Remember though, that at the time it was introduced, the 30-30 was considered "modern technology"

I bet many of the hunters from years ago would have loved to have had a 30-06 and a Leupold!