redbirddog
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RangerPark
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Even for handguns? Cool! Oh wait...
Even for handguns.
"4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in. "
But you aren't breaking any laws.
Magazine capacities depend on the firearm it was designed for, not used in. That's why we can use 10rd pistol mags in 9mm PCCs, the mags aren't designed for the PCC they are designed for a handgun thus handgun limits apply.
Geologist that's a nice rig, what's the barrel length? That a 10/22 factory stock or something fancier?
RangerPark
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So this whole time rimfire handgun manufacturers picked 10 rounds as a magazine limit for no reason?
It's a 12.5" and stays very cool while shooting. The stock is temporary, the original off my Ruger 10/22 that I dremelled so that the TUF22 would fit so I could sight it in.
That's fine - changing the mag to work in the gun is a no-no.
You can use any magazine in any gun it'll fit and function in. You cannot modify a magazine to fit/function in a gun it won't normally work in. As the adapter makes no modifications to the magazine, it's legal.
RangerPark
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10 round magazine limit for a rimfire handgun is not opinion, it's law. Would you like me to quote it for you or can you master the Google fu?
Ok this one is hard. Here's a hint:
Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted
SOR/98-462
Part 4, Section 3(1)(b) and 3(2)(a)(i).
3(1)(b) sets magazine limits to 10 rounds for all handguns. Section 3(2)(a)(i) sets a limit exemption for rimfire rifiles only, not handguns. You might need to read it more than one time.
This isn't about the BX25 magazines, clearly there was interpretation there. As for 10 round limits for rimfire handguns, no interpretation there, that's law, a very confusing and asinine law at that.
I have continued to use my 25 and 110 round mags as if that stupid bulletin was never released. It's sad that so many have been so willing to do otherwise. Doesn't set a very good example for the possible bans we have incoming. Considering it is not law.
Pretty sure anybody could keep up in a Kamloops gopher patch with a single shot. (Except maybe McAurther Island haha)
In the prairies it's a different story. For one, you don't pack a gun around, that's what the truck is for.
I never said it was. I said the RCMP's opinion of the law is not law. The law is law.
The statement was made that the RCMP's opinion is not law.
You then asked, "even for handguns?"
Yes, even for handguns, the RCMP's opinion is not law. The law is law. Even if the RCMP's opinion aligns the law, it is not law on the simple basis that the RCMP sides with it. It is law because it's law.
Despite what they may think, the RCMP doesn't get the make the laws.
Amen.
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Point number 2, this essentially defeats the law entirely because they know there is not basis of actual law created by parliament to support their Police created false law......I agree with you F-Authoritarian Un-elected government yes men that are going the regimes dirty work without recourse.
RangerPark
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This is what I originally posted:
RangerPark said:
This was clearly in response to the partially erroneous statement made that:
This was followed by:
To which you resonded:
The RCMP never issued an opinion about handgun magazines. It was and has always been about the BX25 magazines. It's clear to me you thought rimfire capacity was also unlimited for handguns, which was what my statement was about.
Capacity is dictated by the firearm the magazine was designed for, not the firearms it can be used in.
Cameron SS
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Further, the firearm 'type', and not simply a particular firearm, or even a specific firearm model. Which only served to muddy the water when many firearm actions can be configured with different furniture to be either a handgun or a rifle. Same action, same magazine compatibility, different permitted magazine capacity based on the accessories, and then industry is left trying to figure out how to indicate what each design of magazine was originally intended for...
As much as we like to hate on the RCMP for their terrible interpretations of the law, terribly written laws can only possibly result in terrible interpretations.
Blastattack
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They picked 10 because it’s a nice logical number. Most target disciplines operate in multiples of ten, ten rounds, plus a spring and follower is about the right length of a standard grip frame. Ten subdivides evenly into the standard box of 50 rounds. There isn’t any real reason why a .22 pistol should or would have more or less rounds. Having said that, keltec made a 30+ round double stack pistol in Rimfire.
