Firearms restrictions being proposed in Alberta.
- Thread starter chuck nelson
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ya - they can suck an egg.
It is legal to hunt birds with a .22 or shotgun from road allowances. So they impliedly want that removed as well ..."for the safety" of it all. Always the 'safety" aspect.
Those poor Wildlife Officers are powerless to do anything to stop people having ammunition readily accesible so super beef guy will help find the way......
Yes their way will just give every officer the right to stop and search any vehicle and person suspected of carrying firearms or ammunition. The Supreme Court will love to get their hands on this one.
I kind of feel bad for their delusions of self importance and righteousness. Talk about a clumsy way to go after a problem with a few.
I will just remember next time another mad cow mess appears and they go looking for a handout from me as a taxpayer to fix their mess - just like last time. I will yell loud and clear that it is their business - let it fail - not one thin time from me.
It is legal to hunt birds with a .22 or shotgun from road allowances. So they impliedly want that removed as well ..."for the safety" of it all. Always the 'safety" aspect.
Those poor Wildlife Officers are powerless to do anything to stop people having ammunition readily accesible so super beef guy will help find the way......
Yes their way will just give every officer the right to stop and search any vehicle and person suspected of carrying firearms or ammunition. The Supreme Court will love to get their hands on this one.
I kind of feel bad for their delusions of self importance and righteousness. Talk about a clumsy way to go after a problem with a few.
I will just remember next time another mad cow mess appears and they go looking for a handout from me as a taxpayer to fix their mess - just like last time. I will yell loud and clear that it is their business - let it fail - not one thin time from me.
This has got to be one of the stupidest things to come along in a long while. What the hell does this have to do with the beef producers? What needs to happen in order for this "proposal" to become law? And, what exactly is a developed road allowance?
Thanks.
R.
Thanks.
R.
Pudelpointer
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Lethbridge, Alberta
No, it's not.
From Suka's post: Under "it is unlawful to...
9. discharge a firearm from or cause a projectile from a firearm to pass along or across:
a) a provincial highway,
b) a road that is paved, oiled, graded or regularly maintained, unless
- the road is held under any active disposition under the Public Lands Act or under an order under the Surface Rights Act, or
- the person is hunting game birds with a shotgun under the authority of a licence."
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Pudelpointer
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Lethbridge, Alberta
To Mr. Rick Knight, Chair of the Wildlife Subcommittee, Alberta Beef Producers
Dear Mr. Knight,
It is with great disappointment that find myself writing to you. It has recently come to my attention, and the attention of Alberta's firearms owners, that the Alberta Beef Producers have taken it upon themselves to join the federal Liberal Party, the NDP, and gun control advocates in calling for greater restrictions on firearms. I was under the impression, mistakenly it appears, that farmers and ranchers in this province did not support (or in this case - propose!) idiotic rules and useless regulations that do absolutely nothing to prevent criminal behaviour. The Wildlife Act presently makes it unlawful to discharge a rifle from a road allowance, and it is unlawful to have a loaded firearm in, or on, a vehicle.
Since the current laws already identify such activity as illegal, and individuals choose to ignore the law, exactly what benefit does the Alberta Beef Producers think their proposed legislation will bring? Will criminals cease to be criminals? The vast majority of those that break the rules related to having a loaded firearm within, or discharging a firearm from, a vehicle or discharging a rifle from a road allowance, do so with the full knowledge that they are breaking the law. More rules and regulations will do absolutely nothing to change that.
Interestingly, although I have seen numerous individuals shooting rifles from a road allowance (I have reported them to F&W when I can), the only individuals I have personally witnessed shooting from WITHIN a vehicle have been ranchers, quite possibly members of your organization. I have witnessed this on a number of occasions.
In case the ABP does not realize it, I would suggest that without exception Alberta's hunters eat meat. They eat it when they eat breakfast, when they sit down to dinner, when they go out. Most hunters do not come anywhere near filling their freezer with wild game each year, and the vast majority have happily bought Alberta Beef, knowing that they were supporting the ranchers with whom they share this province. I feel obliged to advise you that here is, at this very moment, a ground swell in the firearms community, Provincially, Nationally, and Internationally, that this insult by the Alberta Beef Producers will not go unanswered. If you would like to understand what may be on your doorstep, feel free to Google "Yellow Tail Wine + HSUS + hunters"
I, and I am sure the entire hunting and firearm owning public, do not want to see this situation become a divisive issue between our communities. Hunters, ranchers and farmers all rely on each other; we rely on you for access to wildlife habitat, and you rely on us to keep wildlife numbers in check. For the most part, our past relationship has been mutually beneficial and positive. We would like to keep it that way.
I respectfully ask that the ABP Wildlife Subcommittee, and the Alberta Beef Producers withdraw their motion to the Alberta Government that "the transportation of firearms in vehicles on developed road allowances during big game hunting season be changed such that both firearm and ammunition be locked in separate containers."
Between the Liberals, the NDP, and other self-righteous proponents of "social engineering", we all have enough to worry about. Please, reconsider your actions.
Sincerely,
Pudelpointer
sent 04/20/10
Dear Mr. Knight,
It is with great disappointment that find myself writing to you. It has recently come to my attention, and the attention of Alberta's firearms owners, that the Alberta Beef Producers have taken it upon themselves to join the federal Liberal Party, the NDP, and gun control advocates in calling for greater restrictions on firearms. I was under the impression, mistakenly it appears, that farmers and ranchers in this province did not support (or in this case - propose!) idiotic rules and useless regulations that do absolutely nothing to prevent criminal behaviour. The Wildlife Act presently makes it unlawful to discharge a rifle from a road allowance, and it is unlawful to have a loaded firearm in, or on, a vehicle.
Since the current laws already identify such activity as illegal, and individuals choose to ignore the law, exactly what benefit does the Alberta Beef Producers think their proposed legislation will bring? Will criminals cease to be criminals? The vast majority of those that break the rules related to having a loaded firearm within, or discharging a firearm from, a vehicle or discharging a rifle from a road allowance, do so with the full knowledge that they are breaking the law. More rules and regulations will do absolutely nothing to change that.
Interestingly, although I have seen numerous individuals shooting rifles from a road allowance (I have reported them to F&W when I can), the only individuals I have personally witnessed shooting from WITHIN a vehicle have been ranchers, quite possibly members of your organization. I have witnessed this on a number of occasions.
In case the ABP does not realize it, I would suggest that without exception Alberta's hunters eat meat. They eat it when they eat breakfast, when they sit down to dinner, when they go out. Most hunters do not come anywhere near filling their freezer with wild game each year, and the vast majority have happily bought Alberta Beef, knowing that they were supporting the ranchers with whom they share this province. I feel obliged to advise you that here is, at this very moment, a ground swell in the firearms community, Provincially, Nationally, and Internationally, that this insult by the Alberta Beef Producers will not go unanswered. If you would like to understand what may be on your doorstep, feel free to Google "Yellow Tail Wine + HSUS + hunters"
I, and I am sure the entire hunting and firearm owning public, do not want to see this situation become a divisive issue between our communities. Hunters, ranchers and farmers all rely on each other; we rely on you for access to wildlife habitat, and you rely on us to keep wildlife numbers in check. For the most part, our past relationship has been mutually beneficial and positive. We would like to keep it that way.
I respectfully ask that the ABP Wildlife Subcommittee, and the Alberta Beef Producers withdraw their motion to the Alberta Government that "the transportation of firearms in vehicles on developed road allowances during big game hunting season be changed such that both firearm and ammunition be locked in separate containers."
Between the Liberals, the NDP, and other self-righteous proponents of "social engineering", we all have enough to worry about. Please, reconsider your actions.
Sincerely,
Pudelpointer
sent 04/20/10
- Location
- Miramichi, NB
I still do not have a grasp on why this particluar group thinks they will benefit from this legislation. Grasping at straws here, is it a way for them to just piss off more hunters to the point where they give up the sport, reducing the amount of wild game taken, possibly increasing the amount of beef consumed?? I don't know, just a guess.
I see no way they benefit, so I can see no logic for a beef group to care what happens during hunting season.
I see no way they benefit, so I can see no logic for a beef group to care what happens during hunting season.
Anytime you are out of a car in newfoundland and the firearm is out of your hands it has to be cased. My buddy got charged with firearm not cased for laying his unloaded shotgun against his atv to get his duck licence out of his pocket. The CO immediately says "aha your gun is not cased". Charged and convicted in court 25 dollar fine. Go figure.
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Just sent off a note to my MLA.
As for the note of the student from Edmonton enjoying the Sundre courtesy call, you have to live there in hunting season to know why the warm welcome. The area seems to really 'bring them out of the woodwork' and they paint a very bad picture for the others who are hunting legit.
I hope this can be put to a halt soon. I am also glad Dad sold all his cows last fall if scanner won't eat em anymore.
Government needs to hand out much stiffer fines to the clowns abusing the priviledge to hunt. Mind you the clowns I have met out there I doubt can be much more than house trained. There's no more room upstairs or enough synapses firing to keep them in line. I wonder if my kids will be able to hunt by the time they are of age.
As for the note of the student from Edmonton enjoying the Sundre courtesy call, you have to live there in hunting season to know why the warm welcome. The area seems to really 'bring them out of the woodwork' and they paint a very bad picture for the others who are hunting legit.
I hope this can be put to a halt soon. I am also glad Dad sold all his cows last fall if scanner won't eat em anymore.
Government needs to hand out much stiffer fines to the clowns abusing the priviledge to hunt. Mind you the clowns I have met out there I doubt can be much more than house trained. There's no more room upstairs or enough synapses firing to keep them in line. I wonder if my kids will be able to hunt by the time they are of age.
burnt_servo
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- right in the middle of b.c.
so the farmers want rifles and ammo stored seprately to prevent " road hunting " ....
this does nothing to prevent road hunting , if a person can legally shoot from the road , he can walk down the road , loaded rifle in hand and shoot from the same point as someone who jumps out of a truck removes the rifle and ammo from storage .
if they want to prevent road hunting , they need to increase the distance a gun can be dicharged from the centerline of the road .
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burnt_servo
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some one needs to make a proposal that will take all the grazing leases back for a given area and create a wildlife reserve which would be free of cattle , allowing the natural animals of that area to thrive and be hunted my some sort of special permit .
This proposed piece of #### is nothing but an anti-gun and anti-hunting move. It has nothing to do with hunting regulations, as those laws regarding road hunting are already in effect.
It's nothing more than an attempt to construct a "tool" to be used to take away your firearm and lay a charge agaisnt the hunter. This is a slap in the face! An insualt! #### the Alberta Beef Producers!! #### THEM!!
It's nothing more than an attempt to construct a "tool" to be used to take away your firearm and lay a charge agaisnt the hunter. This is a slap in the face! An insualt! #### the Alberta Beef Producers!! #### THEM!!
Email sent and cc'd to Stelmachs office
Dear Mr. Knight,
I was just informed of the Alberta Beef Producers subcommittee's recommendation to modify the Wildlife Act in regards to transportation of sporting arms and ammunition in a motor vehicle.
I am also rural landowner and livestock owner and proud of my hunting heritage in Alberta.
The recommendation is misguided and serves to further isolate beef producers and cast them in a negative light.
There are already laws governing the discharge of firearms from developed and maintained roads in Alberta.
Respectfully, I would request this recommendation be withdrawn, and the Alberta Beef Producers concentrate on rebuilding the beef industry and newly tarnished image in the sporting community.
with regards
Dear Mr. Knight,
I was just informed of the Alberta Beef Producers subcommittee's recommendation to modify the Wildlife Act in regards to transportation of sporting arms and ammunition in a motor vehicle.
I am also rural landowner and livestock owner and proud of my hunting heritage in Alberta.
The recommendation is misguided and serves to further isolate beef producers and cast them in a negative light.
There are already laws governing the discharge of firearms from developed and maintained roads in Alberta.
Respectfully, I would request this recommendation be withdrawn, and the Alberta Beef Producers concentrate on rebuilding the beef industry and newly tarnished image in the sporting community.
with regards
burnt_servo
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- right in the middle of b.c.
maybe the British Columbia Cattlemen's Association should start a new program encouraging alberta hunters to buy b.c. beef
maybe the British Columbia Cattlemen's Association should start a new program encouraging alberta hunters to buy b.c. beef
Go for it. The ABP has just bankrupt the Alberta rancher, so might as well let someone else make the money.
back40sniper
CGN Regular
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- South east Sask.
Not sure how this works in Alberta, but what is definition of "developed road allowance'?
burnt_servo
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- right in the middle of b.c.
can farmers from alberta resign from the abp , and maybe join similar groups from other provinces?
This proposed piece of s**t is nothing but an anti-gun and anti-hunting move. It has nothing to do with hunting regulations, as those laws regarding road hunting are already in effect.
It's nothing more than an attempt to construct a "tool" to be used to take away your firearm and lay a charge agaisnt the hunter. This is a slap in the face! An insualt! f**k the Alberta Beef Producers!! f**k THEM!!
Sounds to me like you need a little anger management.
Contrarie to what some people think, there is not an "anti gun person" behind every tree (or cow in this case).
