Gun Club Qualifications?

That's terrible, I pay $400 a year, you have to attend a 2 hour orientation, it is trusted that if you have passed your rpal that you have a grasp of safe handling techniques. The only thing you have to "qualify" for is drawing loaded from a holster. Every time I hear about restrictions like this I'm glad I don't live in Ontario.
 
These rules are being introduced without any justification. Did somebody's poor shooting cause an accident? No. But is is about harrassing and adding cost and time burdens to shooters to reduce our numbers. There are enemies within our own ranks.
 
curseyou said:
These rules are being introduced without any justification. Did somebody's poor shooting cause an accident? No. But is is about harrassing and adding cost and time burdens to shooters to reduce our numbers. There are enemies within our own ranks.
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Many of these rules are being done by the clubs not the CFO - take a look on the Barrie Gun Club
 
Why isn't anybody appreciating the extra safety they are adding by having the 12 supervised shoots? You only develop good habits over time by practicing and practicing. Yes, it may be a little annoying having to go up 12 times and pass a .22 shoot, but at least I know the person beside me has a good understanding of proper gun handling.
 
thenewbieglockguy said:
Why isn't anybody appreciating the extra safety they are adding by having the 12 supervised shoots? You only develop good habits over time by practicing and practicing. Yes, it may be a little annoying having to go up 12 times and pass a .22 shoot, but at least I know the person beside me has a good understanding of proper gun handling.
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I don't know what you guys in Ontario do at ranges, but you are the only ones that EVER defend this sort of insanity. If the rest of the country can get along just fine without 12 probationary trips to the range why can't you guys? Hell, at my range probably 60% of the membership doesn't shoot 12 times in a year. Would they just remain probationary members for life?


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
I don't know what you guys in Ontario do at ranges, but you are the only ones that EVER defend this sort of insanity. If the rest of the country can get along just fine without 12 probationary trips to the range why can't you guys? Hell, at my range probably 60% of the membership doesn't shoot 12 times in a year. Would they just remain probationary members for life?


Mark
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Mark...don't group me in with them....please....
 
The range I joined was most concerned that I turned the lights and fan off when I left.
No probation, no nanny-state bs. Just be safe, here's your key.
 
thenewbieglockguy said:
Why isn't anybody appreciating the extra safety they are adding by having the 12 supervised shoots? You only develop good habits over time by practicing and practicing. Yes, it may be a little annoying having to go up 12 times and pass a .22 shoot, but at least I know the person beside me has a good understanding of proper gun handling.
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Because there is no extra safety. If I make laser guns illegal, we aren't any safer because laser guns weren't responsible for any problems in the first place. Same with qualifying shoots. There were no problems to begin with. We just have more burden and cost to discourage anyone from joining.

Qualifying shoots are a solution without a problem.
 
I find it unbelievable how on one hand, there is so much whining and moaning about the Ontario CFO making everyone jump through hoops because he can, and in the same breath justify making shooters jump through hoops...all in the name of safety. You guys that are justifying this are drinking Wyatt's kool aid.
 
I don't see the problem personally with extra practice. All the clubs in Ontario that I know of have some type of probation period so I guess that is what I am use to. And I think it encourages developing a proficient skill in firearms handling too. Well, all I was trying to say is that I didn't see any harm in it but to each his own...
 
thenewbieglockguy said:
Why isn't anybody appreciating the extra safety they are adding by having the 12 supervised shoots? You only develop good habits over time by practicing and practicing. Yes, it may be a little annoying having to go up 12 times and pass a .22 shoot, but at least I know the person beside me has a good understanding of proper gun handling.
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H:S: Laugh2

Seriously?
 
thenewbieglockguy said:
I don't see the problem personally with extra practice. All the clubs in Ontario that I know of have some type of probation period so I guess that is what I am use to. And I think it encourages developing a proficient skill in firearms handling too. Well, all I was trying to say is that I didn't see any harm in it but to each his own...
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Isn't that what your range membership is for, developing your skills??? I think the problem is the extremes that it is taken to. A club RSO can tell in 15 minutes whether someone NEEDS probation...
 
thenewbieglockguy said:
Why isn't anybody appreciating the extra safety they are adding by having the 12 supervised shoots? You only develop good habits over time by practicing and practicing. Yes, it may be a little annoying having to go up 12 times and pass a .22 shoot, but at least I know the person beside me has a good understanding of proper gun handling.
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So 12 shoots with .22 while somebody hovers over you makes you a safer shooter? Im sorry but thats stupid would never support a club with those rules.
 
So lets presume someone gets their licence with minimal firearms experience. Since the CRFSC is half theory and then half practical without live rounds, how is someone suppose to become proficient with handling a live firearm? Besides going to the range and learning from experienced shooters?
 
All these indoor ranges have damage to the walls the ceiling the floor.
In all fairness it should be appropriate that ranges have the means to verify that a new shooter knows how to control the muzzle, especially with guns that have kick.
The range I'm at has set dollar amounts to which you agree to pay for damage.
 
Everyone is talking about this as though it's rocket surgery, it's really very amusing. Remember the 4 rules - follow the 4 rules at all times and I'll shoot beside anyone. Regardless of what I may be doing that looks weird - moving, kneeling, alternating shooting left and right handed, multiple targets, fast or slow - I am at all times, following the 4 rules. It certainly doesn't take 12 range visits to learn the 4 rules, doesn't require that someone watch you and certainly has never needed a 2 day "safety course" that's at least 15 hours longer than necessary. Persons who fail to follow the 4 rules? They get kicked out.
 
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I can not believe some of these replies, I am an RSO at a few ranges and have seen many bad habits with new and old shooters. RO or SO's really do not hover and are there to make shooting fun and safe. 12 shoots is not unreasonable.
it makes a new shooter very comfortable with failure to feed, fire, extract, proper technique, stance. sight picture.
so you can move to a bigger bore with confidence. I do not think anyone should go get an rpal and buy a .45 and just go bang off rounds with no experience. you can get into some serious trouble with dble taps, squibs, there are alot of know it all internet readers, new reloaders, in the over all picture newbies should practice with smaller caliber first . now with an experienced shooter moving from one club to another. you still should evaluate his skills as I have seen some real stupid actions by experienced and I say that with a grain of salt. it takes one mishap to tarnish a clubs name or one person. this thread for example. we should encourage safe, fun shooting and gun ownership. as of we do not need media, cfo or anti-gun lobbyist, politicians having one excuse to set us backwards. we have enough of stupid laws i.e. ATT prohibs. blackguns, scary guns. LMAO that what we should focus on. not club rules and not joining. as far as mishaps in clubs. we do not want that info anyways on the net. and if you have never seen any funky stuff happen you have not been to the range enough or get involved. that little thing that comes out of any barrel should hit what you are pointing it at if not you need to practice.
 
The club I belong to has existed since 1919, when membership topped 2,000 a couple of years ago, it was decided that there should be an orientation tour given to new members, for 2 reasons; 1) not all club members had received a copy of the range rules and 2) the facility is large enough that we had ranges that members didn't know about, or couldn't figure out how to get to. With that shocking lack of discipline, a person would be right to assume that calamity ensues every day, wouldn't they? I mean, we have ranges that allow visitors to show up, buy a day pass and shoot their guns - no training required or offered. We have members using holsters without qualifying, and even without specialized training. Anarchy, right? - yeah, not quite, in fact the only person ever injured by gunfire on our ranges was a police sergeant instructing an ERT. The reality is that like gun control, club level BS courses and rules are there to make you feel good, as opposed to accomplish something.
 
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