HEY Bring back the AR 180B !!!!!!!!!!!

Armedsask said:
Being a direct replacement for the polymer lower was likely a major factor in the Nodak lower. How ever, making an entirely new, complete rifle is where the issue lies.
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If the new rifle has a lower designed around the 180b polymer lower, then no, there is no issue. Again the FRT for the Nodak lower takes into consideration that it in itself will be a complete rifle with either the 180b or 180 uppers. It is a new firearm in it's own right. Upper or not.
 
fenceline said:
If the new rifle has a lower designed around the 180b polymer lower, then no, there is no issue. Again the FRT for the Nodak lower takes into consideration that it in itself will be a complete rifle with either the 180b or 180 uppers. It is a new firearm in it's own right. Upper or not.
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The Blaze 47 is prohibited as an AK47 variant. Anything is possible. That huge question mark is what is holding people back. You are also ignoring the politics of it. The Nodak, being a replacement lower for a low volume firearm, doesn't really add guns to the Canadian market so it wws no big deal to approve it. An entirely new, complete, evil black firearm would be another story.

I'm not willing to invest any more time and money into that gamble.
 
It is being worked on, but our machinist had a medical set-back which has delayed the project. If anyone knows of a shop near Vancouver that wants the job, email me.
 
Ebola said:
Considering the lowers are coming into Canada, the smart thing to do is to build uppers here that mate with the Spuds. At least that is how I would do it.
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For $350-$400 to import a stripped lower I'd rather have the whole rifle built here and retailed for a reasonable price. Plus, if you don't already have an AR180 you'll have a fun time completing a nodak lower since it doesn't use a standard AR LPK.
$1500-$2000 for a complete rifle and I'd consider buying another one. If it's $2000+ I'd rather just buy a base model Modern Varmint.


G.Mitchell said:
If these could be brought to market with a few modernizations at a decent price I'd be all over one.
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Ya, you and everyone else, then after you'd spent your money you and everyone else would be complaining that it doesn't shoot any better than 2 moa.
Plus every "modernization" costs money so your reasonable price starts to disappear. The reason these used to be cheap was the design and materials used and that it was built by a major US firearms manufacturer and mass produced, put them in a smaller shop and change the stamped steel parts for CNC and forged aluminum parts and costs go up quickly. Add to that the Canadian market is not big enough to support manufacturing a rifle like this. How many do you honestly think they'll sell? A couple hundred? A thousand? Not enough volume to get prices down after the costs involved with getting the shop set up to build them for a market that wants one for $1000 because that's what they sold for in the US 15 years ago.
 
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Bartok5 said:
Have a look at the Skeli X11. It is ready for primetime at a pricepoint of $1499.00 USD and is in no way a variant of any existing firearm (suggesting non-restricted status in Canada). They are WELL aware of the Canadian market, have already spoken with a Canadian Distributor and the RCMP, and plan an 18.5" barrel right from the start. This could very well be our new "AR180B replacement" with superior features, ergos, and construction. I have handled the X11 - it is definitely not vapour-ware and has the potential to fill a large niche in the North American and export markets.
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$1499 USD MSRP=$2000 Canadian street price. While I'd love to see something less expensive and sturdy, look at what the 180b's were selling for when they were discontinued... $1200. Why do people think a $1000, sturdy, and reliable gun is an option?
 
Is the only make the for this gun the Nodac reciever for people who have a 180b already? LPK would not be needed then I guess.
 
Untrainedeye said:
Is the only make the for this gun the Nodac reciever for people who have a 180b already? LPK would not be needed then I guess.
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If you already have a 180 you'll have all the parts you need.


Ar180shooter said:
$1499 USD MSRP=$2000 Canadian street price. While I'd love to see something less expensive and sturdy, look at what the 180b's were selling for when they were discontinued... $1200. Why do people think a $1000, sturdy, and reliable gun is an option?
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I think it will be more than $2000 Canadian if it ever actually comes to be and makes it past the firearms lab as NR and once it actually hits a retailers shelf.

Becauce they're delusional.
 
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cr5 said:
I think it will be more than $2000 Canadian if it ever actually comes to be and makes it past the firearms lab as NR and once it actually hits a retailers shelf.

Becauce they're delusional.
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Quite possibly, depends on what our dollar is doing in 4 years. ;)

Possibly, or just ill informed. I should also add that a better way of saying it would be Canada legal NR, modern, sturdy, reliable $1000 gun is not an option. Lots of AR and AK options would fit that bill, but they are not really modern and are definitely not NR.
 
I love the AR-180B. Simply put. I own several, I shoot them all. Lots. Have put many thousands of rounds through each one. Everyone I lend them to on the range, in 3 gun, in service rifle, in the woods what have you enjoys them. ArmedSask's FAQ has been really helpful over the years and I've referred to it lots.
What I don't love, however, is the continuously drying up supply of spare parts. This has been pointed out on CGN before and it's very true. Fortunately I do have quite a few spare parts I sourced a long time ago when 180B upper parts were still fairly easy to come by.
The metal lowers are great. I bought 2. Rumors of new uppers are wonderful but what we really need as much as anything is a readily accessible supply of spare parts (cam pins, bolts, bolt carriers, firing pins, springs, pistons and such).
I have a full 180B with a broken lower that I bought locally for literally next to nothing. I'm debating buying a NoDAK lower to breathe new life into it or just keep it aside for spare parts as it was hardly used before it broke on the owner. It would be nice if I could make it a complete rifle and sell it but with a lack of spare parts anywhere until (if ever) a source in Canada becomes available I think it will just be a parts source.
 
ThrowBack said:
I love the AR-180B. Simply put. I own several, I shoot them all. Lots. Have put many thousands of rounds through each one. Everyone I lend them to on the range, in 3 gun, in service rifle, in the woods what have you enjoys them. ArmedSask's FAQ has been really helpful over the years and I've referred to it lots.
What I don't love, however, is the continuously drying up supply of spare parts. This has been pointed out on CGN before and it's very true. Fortunately I do have quite a few spare parts I sourced a long time ago when 180B upper parts were still fairly easy to come by.
The metal lowers are great. I bought 2. Rumors of new uppers are wonderful but what we really need as much as anything is a readily accessible supply of spare parts (cam pins, bolts, bolt carriers, firing pins, springs, pistons and such).
I have a full 180B with a broken lower that I bought locally for literally next to nothing. I'm debating buying a NoDAK lower to breathe new life into it or just keep it aside for spare parts as it was hardly used before it broke on the owner. It would be nice if I could make it a complete rifle and sell it but with a lack of spare parts anywhere until (if ever) a source in Canada becomes available I think it will just be a parts source.
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Contact Wolverine Supplies, I've been told that even though it's not on the website if you call they may have some parts squirreled away in the back.
Or sell it to me cheap and I'll source the parts and have a second one :)
I've kinda been looking for an excuse to buy the NoDak lower but just can't justify it since my rifle is in mint original condition with around 1000 rounds down the pipe.
 
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