Hickok45 on the VZ 58
- Thread starter Sardaukar
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Jwirecom109
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Rural Alberta
.30/06 FTW
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Thunder Bay, Ontario
Awesome.
- Location
- Montréal, Québec
vz. 58, because its all we got. Would I still get one if we could have AKs? You're damn straight.
Hickok 45
I agree, great videos and would love to have a rage like that outside my door.
I agree, great videos and would love to have a rage like that outside my door.
Pistolwhiptricks
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Mississauga
Just look at the fun we are missing with those damn magazine restrictions.
I thought you were trying to sell it???
the_klenzer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
mag jealousy. Range jealousy.
Clobbersauras
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Waaay out west.
That's just crazy talk!
I'd take a VZ over an AK any day. The only reason I'd ever pick an AK over a VZ is if I were in the US and needed readily available mags and parts.
But if I were choosing between AKs and VZs in a vaccuum, I'd take the VZ without thinking twice. AKs are heavier, possibly less accurate although good enough for government work as the saying goes, the ergos suck and I hate the safety and the lack of a bolt hold open. Stovepipes are virtually impossible on a VZ and clearance drills are almost pointless. If you get a ####ed AK mag and it pukes rounds, double and triple feeds can get really nasty. FTEs can be really ugly in an AK as well and AK reliability is sufficiently overstated/mythological that people don't realize...these things happen on AKs as well and they SUCK to fix.
A VZ with a Neit/NEA bolt release can be reloaded at nearly AR speed and is as reliable as any AK I have ever encountered. They are similarly overgassed on extraction and the ejection port is half the receiver. What does a double feed on a VZ even look like? You fix it by tilting the gun. When I ran one in the Hackathorn course I couldn't get mine to malfunction even by putting fired cases that I pulled off the muddy ground in the mag along with actual rounds. They still fed fine and the only malf drill I got to do was "rack".
Damn right I'd take a VZ.
But if I were choosing between AKs and VZs in a vaccuum, I'd take the VZ without thinking twice. AKs are heavier, possibly less accurate although good enough for government work as the saying goes, the ergos suck and I hate the safety and the lack of a bolt hold open. Stovepipes are virtually impossible on a VZ and clearance drills are almost pointless. If you get a ####ed AK mag and it pukes rounds, double and triple feeds can get really nasty. FTEs can be really ugly in an AK as well and AK reliability is sufficiently overstated/mythological that people don't realize...these things happen on AKs as well and they SUCK to fix.
A VZ with a Neit/NEA bolt release can be reloaded at nearly AR speed and is as reliable as any AK I have ever encountered. They are similarly overgassed on extraction and the ejection port is half the receiver. What does a double feed on a VZ even look like? You fix it by tilting the gun. When I ran one in the Hackathorn course I couldn't get mine to malfunction even by putting fired cases that I pulled off the muddy ground in the mag along with actual rounds. They still fed fine and the only malf drill I got to do was "rack".
Damn right I'd take a VZ.
