This tread is just too funny. Why people are willing to forgive anything to one retailer because they have cheaper ammo or guns compared to another retailer ? If they do something wrong - it is still wrong. Irrelevant that they are better or worth than others. Are you willing to forgive Conservatives everything because they better than NDP or Liberals ? No. You vote, but then you still not willing to accept their mistakes and wrong doings. So, why do you have to accept unreasonable and unethical behavior from an online vendor ? Just to clarify - my problem is not long shipping. My problem is getting charged full amount upfront and the retailer keeping my money for over a month without sending me the goods. Either send right away or do not charge until you are ready. Charge deposit of $50 if you are really concerned, but not full price. Do I get financial interest from them for keeping and using my money for a month? No. I get nothing. And you guys can praise them as much as you want and flame me as much as you want. It does not change the fact it is a scam. And it is wrong. And you or me buying or not buying from them does not change this fact.