How to make people angry on GunNutz - USMC M1903 Unertl Rifle 30-06 Reproduction

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Now both "Parts Unknowns" accounts chime in again, one to insult everyone that has disagreed with their wild claim and the other rage quitting while contradicting themselves after their likely ChatGPT produced paragraph attacks did not play out as expected. ;)



Current market rate for one of these clone build is between average $2200-4000 Canadian with examples all across the US readily for sale and able to imported into Canada with a little bit of paperwork so the $5000 asking price for this clone build without any documentation supporting its claims will be heavily criticized.

No documentation for appraisal/evaluation, multiple reproduction parts, unverified serial numbers (Photos matter and up close confirmation has not bee provided), then we have the random profile claiming its worth $4000-4500 USD by a appraisal based on the few photos provided, add on the entire "It's the only one in Canada" nonsense from the OP when anyone can get one imported relatively easily.



VictoryRidge openly asked for what we think and they got the truth which they are not happy with, then they showed the businesses true colours as the thread progressed.

The rifle is over priced by a good chunk which has been called out plenty and now they are beyond doubling down on trying to get that $5000 price point without documentation by resorting to a raffle which is why I made my JR COX statement in regards to doing and saying anything to profit off of the community.

If looking out for others and calling a spade a spade makes me "upset" well so be it, I just laugh because I know I'm right. ;)

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at with Post 66 and 91...there is no name calling in there if that's what you're implying? All I said was that maybe if you stopped hanging around people with bad attitudes, yours might also improve. It's still (mostly) a free country, you are allowed to say what you want, but it doesn't look good on you to come into the thread and start hating just because you disagree with a particular valuation. I'll take the ChatGPT thing as a compliment, those computers are usually pretty smart, writing full essays and solving computer coding issues in mere minutes, so thanks!

And give it a rest with the two accounts thing already, his is capitalized and mine isn't, so obviously it's a different parts unknown.......Seriously though it makes literally zero sense, and you're probably not aware but CGN has rules against that. Seems pretty unlikely we would have survived this long if we were the same person, but I guess it's just an easy opportunity for you to spew your hate on someone else too.

Also, now you admit that these can sell for up to $4000CAD; do those guns all have documentation? Do they all have verified serial numbers? Do you expect all guns on the EE to come with a certificate of appraisal to justify the price if you don't agree with it? In this thread it's gone from "waaaaay overpriced" to "overpriced by a good chunk" after a bit more research. Like I said before, if you want more info just ask, I'm sure VRS would be happy to provide anything else they can to help make the sale. But instead, you would prefer to disrespect them and throw judgement around without doing your own due diligence. Good show.
 
I think the question that everybody forgot to ask is:...

Is it a low number serial # ?

Manufacturer of the receiver and serial # will GREATLY affect value

I think the pissing match should end and just raffle the damn thing already. Nobody will pay the $5000 asking price.

Sh1t or get off the pot...
 
This thread is just never ending ragebait and shilling lol. Some facts to dump into the fire:

- Refurbing a rifle will never increase its value unless it was a broken down rust heap being brought back from the void (in which case who would pay $5k). Doesn’t matter if Vulcan does good work or not, the price goes down not up and I have many many data points (including sold Vulcan guns) to support that.

- The raffles that gun businesses are conducting (and they are many) aren’t legal to begin with, and become doubly sketchy when the value is way above market. At that rate why not just raffle it off for $500k since apparently people don’t care about what it sums up to or what the odds are so long as they’re only gambling 20 bucks… maybe because the lottery commission will start to care?
 
I think the question that everybody forgot to ask is:...

Is it a low number serial # ?

Manufacturer of the receiver and serial # will GREATLY affect value

I think the pissing match should end and just raffle the damn thing already. Nobody will pay the $5000 asking price.

Sh1t or get off the pot...
Hi Joe,

We are trying to get it live today. Just working out the final details.
 
This thread is just never ending ragebait and shilling lol. Some facts to dump into the fire:

- Refurbing a rifle will never increase its value unless it was a broken down rust heap being brought back from the void (in which case who would pay $5k). Doesn’t matter if Vulcan does good work or not, the price goes down not up and I have many many data points (including sold Vulcan guns) to support that.

- The raffles that gun businesses are conducting (and they are many) aren’t legal to begin with, and become doubly sketchy when the value is way above market. At that rate why not just raffle it off for $500k since apparently people don’t care about what it sums up to or what the odds are so long as they’re only gambling 20 bucks… maybe because the lottery commission will start to care?
Hey Zortron,

You really think the lottery commission is unaware of this? LOL

The key is the loophole of a sticker draw being a buy-in. Sticker draw purchasers are buying an actual product a sticker (yes we actually mail out the stickers) which the buyer is fully aware is not the value of the sticker alone. It is a sticker to enter a draw. It is a known loophole which is why everyone and their dog is doing it. If you don't like it don't participate. Or maybe you are so butt-hurt over this particular rifle that you want to ruin it for everyone and report every gun store in the country to the various provincial lottery commissions? Maybe this is why you have no friends?
 
Hey Zortron,

You really think the lottery commission is unaware of this? LOL

The key is the loophole of a sticker draw being a buy-in. Sticker draw purchasers are buying an actual product a sticker (yes we actually mail out the stickers) which the buyer is fully aware is not the value of the sticker alone. It is a sticker to enter a draw. It is a known loophole which is why everyone and their dog is doing it. If you don't like it don't participate. Or maybe you are so butt-hurt over this particular rifle that you want to ruin it for everyone and report every gun store in the country to the various provincial lottery commissions? Maybe this is why you have no friends?
I don’t report every gun store because I’m not a snitch rat. Actually I just keep looking back on this thread because people keep liking my posts… could care less overall.

We did create all those laws to solve a moral issue though, and if you ignore that then where do you stop? If you’ve got your fancy legal loophole why bother quibbling over valuation at all? Raffle it for $500 million, retire in the sun, and laugh at all the nay-sayers.

For the record I don’t think it is the same as what “everyone and their dog is doing”. There never seems to be a no-purchase-necessary option, there’s an entry limit, and most businesses in other industries aren’t using the system to sell, they’re using it to promote. I’ve only ever seen this approach from gun stores trying to wring more profit out of guns they can’t sell at sticker price.

There are certainly other gun businesses who do it a lot more though.
 
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I think you would do better with 250 x $20
Most of us are cheap bastards,... that extra $5 isn't worth it
Remember, the rifle is refinished and the scope is a reproduction
JMO
Hi Joe,

I understand your preference for a low sticker price. The powers that be (not me) have decided that a higher price and fewer tickets overall is the best strategy to get this gun to it's newest owner quickly. They will be $50 each
 
Thank you for replying to my posts
I wish you guys and the owner the best of luck. It IS a very nice rifle and, for $50 I'm sure it will make the winner very happy.
However, I must decline to participate. I'm a cheap azz old bugger on a pension and $50 could be better spent on an oil change for my truck.
Best of luck to all the members that buy-in
The one I have from Vulcan is a tack driver and a real head turner at the range. I'm sure this one will be of the same high standard. Nick does excellent work

Cheers
 
Hey Zortron,

You really think the lottery commission is unaware of this? LOL

The key is the loophole of a sticker draw being a buy-in. Sticker draw purchasers are buying an actual product a sticker (yes we actually mail out the stickers) which the buyer is fully aware is not the value of the sticker alone. It is a sticker to enter a draw. It is a known loophole which is why everyone and their dog is doing it. If you don't like it don't participate. Or maybe you are so butt-hurt over this particular rifle that you want to ruin it for everyone and report every gun store in the country to the various provincial lottery commissions? Maybe this is why you have no friends?
Dude...you are a dealer with THIS behaviour and attitude? AND insults too?! Wow...
 
Hey Zortron,

You really think the lottery commission is unaware of this? LOL

The key is the loophole of a sticker draw being a buy-in. Sticker draw purchasers are buying an actual product a sticker (yes we actually mail out the stickers) which the buyer is fully aware is not the value of the sticker alone. It is a sticker to enter a draw. It is a known loophole which is why everyone and their dog is doing it. If you don't like it don't participate. Or maybe you are so butt-hurt over this particular rifle that you want to ruin it for everyone and report every gun store in the country to the various provincial lottery commissions? Maybe this is why you have no friends?
What a classy answer from a business…”butt hurt??”..do you have a 12 year old answering this thread? Way to go to lose business with your lack of professionalism.
 
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Post #66 ^


Post #91 ^



Now both "Parts Unknowns" accounts chime in again, one to insult everyone that has disagreed with their wild claim and the other rage quitting while contradicting themselves after their likely ChatGPT produced paragraph attacks did not play out as expected. ;)



Current market rate for one of these clone build is between average $2200-4000 Canadian with examples all across the US readily for sale and able to imported into Canada with a little bit of paperwork so the $5000 asking price for this clone build without any documentation supporting its claims will be heavily criticized.

No documentation for appraisal/evaluation, multiple reproduction parts, unverified serial numbers (Photos matter and up close confirmation has not bee provided), then we have the random profile claiming its worth $4000-4500 USD by a appraisal based on the few photos provided, add on the entire "It's the only one in Canada" nonsense from the OP when anyone can get one imported relatively easily.



VictoryRidge openly asked for what we think and they got the truth which they are not happy with, then they showed the businesses true colours as the thread progressed.

The rifle is over priced by a good chunk which has been called out plenty and now they are beyond doubling down on trying to get that $5000 price point without documentation by resorting to a raffle which is why I made my JR COX statement in regards to doing and saying anything to profit off of the community.

If looking out for others and calling a spade a spade makes me "upset" well so be it, I just laugh because I know I'm right. ;)
Absolutely this.
 
Hey Zortron,

You really think the lottery commission is unaware of this? LOL

The key is the loophole of a sticker draw being a buy-in. Sticker draw purchasers are buying an actual product a sticker (yes we actually mail out the stickers) which the buyer is fully aware is not the value of the sticker alone. It is a sticker to enter a draw. It is a known loophole which is why everyone and their dog is doing it. If you don't like it don't participate. Or maybe you are so butt-hurt over this particular rifle that you want to ruin it for everyone and report every gun store in the country to the various provincial lottery commissions? Maybe this is why you have no friends?

Hi Joe,

I understand your preference for a low sticker price. The powers that be (not me) have decided that a higher price and fewer tickets overall is the best strategy to get this gun to it's newest owner quickly. They will be $50 each

Dude...you are a dealer with THIS behaviour and attitude? AND insults too?! Wow...

The powers that be gave them the ability to completely destroy the reputation of the store and they are doing a remarkable job at it.

VictoryRidge has combined the most distasteful traits of JR Cox and Jeff Hussey (NEA/BCL) to represent their business practices and morals.
 
Maybe I will call the lottery commision...I mean GUN OWNERS will be fine, owners like this #### will have to take THEIR loss/es and not have customers cover their mistakes...
 
I would like to know where you guys are finding the mythical wooden case of 10 new in grease 122 year old rifles for 500 bucks. The reality is prices are only going up and there are people that want this beauty to enjoy shooting a piece of history. Price is based on what people are willing to buy and not what anyone thinks the value is. If you can find a better price then go get one!

Oh and I am in for a draw.
 
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You really don’t care how you try to weasel $5000 out of the public to pay for this way over priced refurb loaded with reproduction parts.

That is some JR Cox type of garbage behaviour, thanks for confirming your lack of principles in the name of profit.
Big feeling key board warrior with nothing but baseless insults. The OP has been upfront and forthright about all details here which is the only way to turn a profit. <eye roll>
 
I can't believe this soap opera. Sheesh.

Some people spend their money on gin, or cable tv, or internet, or ridiculous expensive pickup ( can a pickup REALLY be worth $100k?), or expensive or cheap resteraunt food, or raffle ticket.🙂
And some don't.🙂

Are all Barret-Jackson car appraisals and selling prices always in sync? Not at all. Final worth is decided by the buyer, or not buy.

Be happy and enjoy what you can and what you want, and extend that to others.🙂
 
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Albeit the only thing I struggle with on some of these raffles where a consignment is concerned, and someone might chime in on this who knows; but what’s to stop the owner of the gun, or one or more of his buddies from flooding tickets into the draw, winning his own rifle back for quarters on the dollar plus earning his consignment dollars only to sell it somewhere else again.

Maybe I’m conspiring for nothing, but I reckon that’s why this stuff is regulated these days.
 
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