**Huge CGN .264 Bullet Test Result** (lots of pics!)

22to45 said:
This thread makes me question the threads showing lead in the ground meat. If you use quality cup and core bullets and come back with a bullet weighing 75% of what it started there is not very many grains of lead to be splattered into the meat...
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You are correct, in as far as you go.

-First, I'm on record as saying and believing that the consumption of small amounts of metallic lead, by people, is not a significant source of tissue or blood lead levels.

-However, if one were of the opinion that metallic lead easily converted into some sort of soluble compound in the human body, the actual amount of lead required, is very small, and it is eliminated from the body very slowly, so that it has decades to accumulate.
 
Ok, I am not suggesting that lead is food. I also do not believe that fragments of a few grains penetrate meat very far. I know that I cut quite a distance from the bullet hole. Most of a moose is far from there. Cup and core bullets do not scare me.
 
22to45 said:
Ok, I am not suggesting that lead is food. I also do not believe that fragments of a few grains penetrate meat very far. I know that I cut quite a distance from the bullet hole. Most of a moose is far from there. Cup and core bullets do not scare me.
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One state - South Dakota or Michigan, I can't remember - did a study and found that even with premium bullets lead fragments travelled up to 12" from the wound channel and with regular bullets they found lead up to 18" from the wound channel. Those numbers are from memory, but I think they are correct.
 
1899 said:
One state - South Dakota or Michigan, I can't remember - did a study and found that even with premium bullets lead fragments travelled up to 12" from the wound channel and with regular bullets they found lead up to 18" from the wound channel. Those numbers are from memory, but I think they are correct.
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Those numbers seem a _little_ high; but not out of the question.
 
Splatter said:
Those numbers seem a _little_ high; but not out of the question.
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I am also curious if ingesting a small amounts of lead has any effect on blood levels. I did some googling but found nothing. I would be much more concerned about ingesting lead compounds.

I stole this from another board..

what is the danger of lead poisoning due to eating lead shot in shot game???
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If you were listening to the R4 report this morning about the banning of
lead shot (at long last, hurrah!) from being used at Scottish wetlands
and wondering if you might suffer the same fate as the ducks, you need
have no fear. The reason they get lead poisoning is that the lead
pellets are ground up in their gizzard, along with the plants, seeds,
etc. that they've been eating and the lead then gets absorbed through
the walls of the gut and into the blood stream. As you lack a gizzard
and the hydrochloric acid in your stomach isn't strong enough to act on
the lead it will pass straight through you untouched. Recycling, anyoneB]
 
I know that I've swallowed lead pellets and tiny lead shards in game meat. In my youth I carried lead air rifle pellets in my mouth while tramping through the bush, and I swallowed a few every year. I still hold air rifle pellets between my lips when I'm shooting pigeons; but I don't think I've swallowed one in a couple of decades.
I also tumble deprimed cases (to clean some of the residue out of the primer pockets) and then fish the individual cases out of the media with bare hands.
I also cast lead bullets and do all the other stuff you'd associate with casting, like finding lead scrap, casting ingots, alloying it... etc.

I had my lead level checked last month... It's 5 micrograms per decilitre. The level that generates medical concern is 100 micrograms per decilitre.
Of course the ideal level is zero; but no Canadian adult has that.
 
There are so many misconceptions about lead, many related to casting. We hear that lead fumes are given off and that in handling lead it is absorbed through the skin. I KNOW that some will jump all over this, but lead fumes are not given off at casting temperatures, and lead is only absorbed through the skin when it's part of a compound such as tetraethyl lead. I don't mind if my fellow casters feel the need to be encased in a space suit with self-contained oxygen when they cast, but we don't need the finger wagging that you will end up with dangerously elevated lead levels if you don't as well.

We don't need to live in fear - don't eat the lead, and when you're done handling it, wash your hands like you would after handling anything you shouldn't eat.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg305.pdf
 
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Splatter said:
I know that I've swallowed lead pellets and tiny lead shards in game meat. In my youth I carried lead air rifle pellets in my mouth while tramping through the bush, and I swallowed a few every year. I still hold air rifle pellets between my lips when I'm shooting pigeons; but I don't think I've swallowed one in a couple of decades.
I also tumble deprimed cases (to clean some of the residue out of the primer pockets) and then fish the individual cases out of the media with bare hands.
I also cast lead bullets and do all the other stuff you'd associate with casting, like finding lead scrap, casting ingots, alloying it... etc.

I had my lead level checked last month... It's 5 micrograms per decilitre. The level that generates medical concern is 100 micrograms per decilitre.
Of course the ideal level is zero; but no Canadian adult has that.
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You brought back some fond memories of my pellet gun youth ... I remember doing the same thing with the pellets - where else would put them :)
 
Andy said:
There are so many misconceptions about lead, many related to casting. We hear that lead fumes are given off and that in handling lead it is absorbed through the skin. I KNOW that some will jump all over this, but lead fumes are not given off at casting temperatures, and lead is only absorbed through the skin when it's part of a compound such as tetraethyl lead. I don't mind if my fellow casters feel the need to be encased in a space suit with self-contained oxygen when they cast, but we don't need the finger wagging that you will end up with dangerously elevated lead levels if you don't as well.

We don't need to live in fear - don't eat the lead, and when you're done handling it, wash your hands like you would after handling anything you shouldn't eat.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg305.pdf
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Thanks Andy for a sensible post about the non-dangers of bullet casting. It's refreshing!

Ted
 
hi bcsteve, thanks a lot for this!

i actually use the 95gr hornady vmax in my husqvarna 6.5x55 for small game/light target loads (11gr of trailboss powder), im surprised at how little weight was retained in your trials!

That lapua really looks good for larger animals though!
 
It all depends on the construction and what you expect from your bullet. The premium 120's (A-Frame and TTSX) penetrated deeper than the 156-160gr but you don't necessarily need all that for deer. That's why I did this test. Look at the numbers and pictures and choose which ever one that meets what YOU want out of a bullet.
 
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