Hunting Accuracy?

lol

Last week this guy was telling me how he shot 800 meters with an open sight 303, hit just a hair low on a pretty small target with the sights adjusted to 350M

I asked him where's it hit at 350 with the sights set for 350?

"bang on"

:LOL:

That's a flat shootin' 303

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Another guy telling me he held top of the back on a bull moose with 7mm Rem Mag, put one right through the boiler room. His dad paced off the shot at it was 1200 yards.

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Sounds like a guy I was working with telling me all about the 950 yard running head shot he made on a moose with his Parker hale “3 hunnert mag” topped with a 4x tasco
 
Nope, back in the day when the companies first started using the plastic tips, they stated the tips melted off, just like the lead tips.

I don't shop Cabela's. Sounds like you frequent the place.

Pretty sure the only one company that claimed deformed polymer tips was Hornady...They came late to the game of tipped bullets...Nosler was selling a sh!t ton of Ballistic tips for many years before Hornady decided to also join the tipped market.

They needed a leg up to try and catch the competition and with their aggressive marketing department and I'm sure more than a few bourbons came up with their "Heat shield" technology.

If you study Hornady products and their PR of such you will find they have a few other "It's rocket science" moments as well...HA !

As for lead tips melting on high velocity long shots no way...Google it.
 
392 yds, off a back pack rest!
Top target is my 7-08 with a custom Jury barrel, and a 3.5-10x 44 Zeiss with a Z-plex 600, holding for 400
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This is my Ruger American Predator .243Win with a 4-16, Nikon Buckmaster with 3.2 Moa dialed in, at 392 yards same backpack……..
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392 yds, off a back pack rest!
Top target is my 7-08 with a custom Jury barrel, and a 3.5-10x 44 Zeiss with a Z-plex 600, holding for 400
This is my Ruger American Predator .243Win with a 4-16, Nikon Buckmaster with 3.2 Moa dialed in, at 392 yards same backpack...
Must have been a fairly huge backpack...

R.
 
Game seen at extended ranges I try to get closer if I can. Target shooting on a light breeze day thought I'd see how my ~1 MOA .338 Win Mag / Nikon 4-16x groups at real long range.

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Nice 7”x10”-ish so your 1.7-ish moa 3-shot 338 wm? 😉, what’s its 10-shot moa as that’s the true moa,
funny distance, my last session went to 626 yards, proving my Sako 90 308 peak drops with factory 168 eldm white box match 2592 fps, at 626 with a 1-8x scope, I had about 3” vertical and about 9” horizontal, little breezy also. I’ve shot many 2 shots at 600 and they always around 2.5-3”. Even got a beauty at 500, same day while working out to 600+, 3 shots at 1.75”. But I don’t take much stock in that or the .6” 3-shot on day 1 testing 8 ammo’s at 100, I found a couple factory loads I knew would shoot well enough and picked the winner and ordered some cases. Shot a couple 5 shot groups at 205 that weren’t that impressive 1.5 moa-ish, but nice and round and confirming zero exercise but I’m not that consistent a shot, don’t shoot a ton so don’t sweat the highs and lows. It’s all good data.

Lol don’t sweat the 10 shot, I don’t even know the 10 shot moa of my rig as always seem to set up in more uncontrolled conditions and haven’t done 10 at once, could be a 2 moa gun? I’m sure it’s less but not with me behind the wheel in my field range set ups, what I do know is it’s more than what I need for my goals. Cherry picking the odd 3-shot doesn’t tell me much. Just makes the sticker peck out a little when you see a gooder lol.
 
I have seen guys very happy with a couple of shots on the 12 inch paper at 100 yards... that's all the distance they plan on shooting...
I plan on being able to shoot game as far as 500 yards.
I do not need 10 shot groups to do it. If I can't get 3 shots to group, 10 shots will not fix that.
My hunting rifles get tested with 3 shot groups... not one 3 shot group, but after shooting a few and adjusting the poi. I will come back the following week and shoot 3 cold, clean shots on target. Save that target and do it again a week or two later... and again. Eventually I will find out if the poi is stable with a clean barrel and a fouled barrel and I will have the poi set. I have had rifles that required a fouling shot... in a hunting rifle I hate that!

Here are some of the work up targets of 3 different rifles.

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You may need 10 shots to get the proper zero though. 😉

Or you can end up chasing .2 mil around at 500-600 in set up and trueing because you only zeroed to 3-shots.

Info is good, info about natural dispersion is good, and zeroing to the center of that is also good. Being as besides us the next most common reason for a miss at distance is improper zero or loss of zero. The number to know your natural dispersion is 10 and therefore to zero to center of that. Take it or leave it info. It’s not meant to rile anyone up, just edjamucate is all.

Now I know, it will save me a lot of ammo and gas down the road! Between correcting equipment issues or ultimately the trueing phase during data collection day.
 
I moved targets to get my heart going first. 300 yds from an improvised rest with a 6BR. 3 sighters in red. BIG gust of wind on #4 which I probably wouldn’t have noticed anyway looking at a deer, lol. IMG_9488.jpeg
Tried standing with the 308 but was all over hell in the wind.
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I was being tongue in cheek. No diss intended.

The shots in those pics at 600yds are impressive.

I wasn't inferring 708fan was shooting at big game at such distances.
 
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