Is there a need for more Cdn made AR parts?
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well. I was going by MSRP for .308 mags.
An Armalite AR-10 mag lists for $46, so does a DPMS mag.
5.56 mags are cheap compared to .308 mags.
I was thinking Magpul would charge roughly the same for their version. If they will charge roughly $22-$25 USD they will have the market cornered.
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- calgary alberta
You bet, now it needs to be cut into "mill size" pcs and the mill can start to make chips
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- calgary alberta
Actually unless 1 has an enduser and purchase order from a LE agency or military contract, you can not get an IIC or export permit approved for high cap mags or any other prohibited device. When we did more importations we had to go into the US and pin all the mags prior to export or they were seized at the border, despite permits being in place.
My licensing covers my business for virtually all things evil, from regular run of the mill stuff to full auto or nuclear subs and weapons of mass destruction.
Without an end user certificate and P.O. all the the extra clauses on the licenses are just useless paper.
the DPMS mag is a copy of the SR-25mag (albiet not as good) - which where based off the ORIGINAL AR10 mags.
Armalite attempted a quick mag with the M14 conversions - their Gen II and Gen III mags are a lot better - but I still VASTLY prefer the KAC Mk11 mag for a 7.62 system.
Armalite attempted a quick mag with the M14 conversions - their Gen II and Gen III mags are a lot better - but I still VASTLY prefer the KAC Mk11 mag for a 7.62 system.
I've never seen a KAC or original AR10 mag. But the current DPMS ones are slightly better than the AR10 mags. I have one of each sitting on my desk right now
. The Armalite was bought this month and the DPMS ones I have are the metal ones, not the original crap plastic they first came out with.
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- calgary alberta
Rick, We'd hope you would make your own super accurate upper
We are trying to accomodate this, but it will take time.
The support to date has been strong and I would like to thank all those who have supported the first of what we hope will be many ventures along this line.
There are alot of things we want to unleash on the Canadian gun culture, but it will take time, being a small shop and not wanting to go broke with big aspirations means only building what is economically viable to keep expanding the business.
The new AR-10 mags are not M14 mags. There was a time during the American AWB that modifed mags was all that was available.
You forgot to mention 19 rounds for DPMS VS. 20 or 25 for the AR-10
(not in this country of course)I have seen both, never used a DPMS though. I find the Armalite mags I have are just fine. I also have never seen a SR-25 mag....Is it worth $100+? i will never know
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ThePunisher
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- Belleville/Kingston Ontario
You bet, now it needs to be cut into "mill size" pcs and the mill can start to make chips
Thanks for the update!
The new AR-10 mags are not M14 mags. There was a time during the American AWB that modifed mags was all that was available.
You forgot to mention 19 rounds for DPMS VS. 20 or 25 for the AR-10
I have seen both, never used a DPMS though. I find the Armalite mags I have are just fine. I also have never seen a SR-25 mag....Is it worth $100+? i will never know
They may not be technically M14 mags anymore but they are based on the M14 mag. While making sense at the time, it leaves Armalite having to use a design that was a compromise. The new ones are based on modified M14 mags.
I have a DPMS mag sitting beside me and an Armalite AR10 mag. Both are decent mags for my purposes. The outside housing seems to be similar in quality. However the DPMS one is a bit thicker and feels a bit sturdier. The main difference though is when you look at the follower. While I appreciate that the Armalite one is metal and not plastic, you can clearly see the weakness in the design. The back of the follower looks like it's been pinched in with needle nose pliers and a notch is there. It looks like an afterthought or modification rather than a well planned design. Basically it's a sharp edge that protrudes. I don't like this for a couple of reasons. First of all I don't want anything getting snagged. Second what happens if that piece gets bent or snaps off? I'm not sure if it would affect the mag or not. This is the latest Armalite Generation mag.
Now the DPMS follower is plastic. But... it's smooth without any sharp edges, or weird twisted metal etc. It was designed better.
As for the 20 vs 19 round mags. I don't really care about that. For range use it doesn't matter. Also we're obviously limited to 5 anyways. You can still shoot benchrest with a DPMS 19 round mag. I'm pretty sure a 25 rounder would be too long. Even if I was using one of these rifles in combat, that one round or even a few more would be far less important to me than reliability and strength in construction. Especially in an area where I couldn't just order new ones.
Bottom line both mags cost the same amount. The DPMS one is the superior mag system.
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Good plan, no point in having a great shop not being around to produce what makes it so great in the first place. Steady as she goes.
But having ideas thrown around is good, it also gives some opportunuity to evaluate the good and the bad.
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, I owned about three dozen of the ORIGINAL Dutch built AR 10 rifles, both the Sudanese and Portuguese varients. My favorite Battle Rifle [ or is an AR 10 actually an Assault Rifle on steroids? ] has always been an AR 10.
These days my need for a BR or an AR simply don't exist, Zombie movies not withstanding.
However,
I still like to play around with Civilian Defense Rifles or CDRs. So I build myself semi auto only AR 15 rifles ... shorties and "tacticool" variations, and I build shorty M-14 rifles with folding stocks.
All of these are OK, I guess,
but I still miss those ORIGINAL AR 10s.
Wayyyy back in the 80s, I built up a shorty Sudanese AR 10, with an 18 3/4" barrel, ported "comp", with the front half of the carrying handle milled into a weaver base, so I could co-witness a red dot with the irons, and used an extra spot on the change lever for "setting" the trigger. I also fitted AR 15 handguards and an AR 15 pistol grip, and created a tubular skeleton stock for the butt. This custom AR 10 was simply the best full powered rifle I've ever used for fast action shooting, and it was still accurate enough to keep all shots on a regular 8.5 X 11" sheet of paper at 600 yds on the DCRA range ... using DCRA issue IVI 7.62 BALL ammo. And in thousands of rounds of Ball ammo, .308 hunting and target loads, and even .223 Cal Remington accelerator loads down range, it was TOTALLY reliable. In fact, this was just about the perfect CDR, and it is one of the few firearms I REALLY regret parting with.
I have been thinking for years about getting another of the modern AR 10 clones, but to date, I am less than thrilled with the compromises that have been made in the original near pefect AR 10 design, to allow the use of as many AR 15 parts as possible. While I admire the ingenuity of the design teams that accomplished these feats, I still think the older ORIGINAL AR 10 design is the best. It was designed for 7.62 NATO full powered ammo as a complete system, no compromises, and attempting to duplicate that using smaller AR 15 parts just doesn't seem to quite measure up.
I used to get the ORIGINAL AR 10s in batches and COMPLETELY strip them down for inspection before reassembling them for resale. Of the dozens I worked on, every one was still functional and unbelievable accurate ... despite the abysmal lack of maintenance or any kind of care they had seen from the poorly trained African troops who used them. The ONLY real problem I saw, aside from bores that were mostly non-existant, was one lower receiver that had been dry fired a LOT ... with no bolt in it. That caused the hammer to beat out a slot in the magazine area. A bit of welding, a bit of filing, a recoat with bake on GunCoat, and it was as good as new. And even with those ratty bores, I never had any of those AR 10 that would shoot over 2" @ 10 yds with Ball ammo.
SO, if you want to build an AR 10 based on the ORIGINAL design, I will take at least one or two. The fact that the internal parts would not be readily available AR 15 bits, and have to be limited production probably makes this totally unrealistic, but a man can still dream, right?
[;{)
LAZ 1
PS: Does anyone know what happened to the production machinery that AI, the Dutch manufacturer, used to build the AR 10s?? Maybe some of it still exists, and maybe there is even a stash of AR 10 original parts still over there, just waiting ...
Like I said, a man can dream,
These days my need for a BR or an AR simply don't exist, Zombie movies not withstanding.
However,
I still like to play around with Civilian Defense Rifles or CDRs. So I build myself semi auto only AR 15 rifles ... shorties and "tacticool" variations, and I build shorty M-14 rifles with folding stocks.
All of these are OK, I guess,
but I still miss those ORIGINAL AR 10s.
Wayyyy back in the 80s, I built up a shorty Sudanese AR 10, with an 18 3/4" barrel, ported "comp", with the front half of the carrying handle milled into a weaver base, so I could co-witness a red dot with the irons, and used an extra spot on the change lever for "setting" the trigger. I also fitted AR 15 handguards and an AR 15 pistol grip, and created a tubular skeleton stock for the butt. This custom AR 10 was simply the best full powered rifle I've ever used for fast action shooting, and it was still accurate enough to keep all shots on a regular 8.5 X 11" sheet of paper at 600 yds on the DCRA range ... using DCRA issue IVI 7.62 BALL ammo. And in thousands of rounds of Ball ammo, .308 hunting and target loads, and even .223 Cal Remington accelerator loads down range, it was TOTALLY reliable. In fact, this was just about the perfect CDR, and it is one of the few firearms I REALLY regret parting with.
I have been thinking for years about getting another of the modern AR 10 clones, but to date, I am less than thrilled with the compromises that have been made in the original near pefect AR 10 design, to allow the use of as many AR 15 parts as possible. While I admire the ingenuity of the design teams that accomplished these feats, I still think the older ORIGINAL AR 10 design is the best. It was designed for 7.62 NATO full powered ammo as a complete system, no compromises, and attempting to duplicate that using smaller AR 15 parts just doesn't seem to quite measure up.
I used to get the ORIGINAL AR 10s in batches and COMPLETELY strip them down for inspection before reassembling them for resale. Of the dozens I worked on, every one was still functional and unbelievable accurate ... despite the abysmal lack of maintenance or any kind of care they had seen from the poorly trained African troops who used them. The ONLY real problem I saw, aside from bores that were mostly non-existant, was one lower receiver that had been dry fired a LOT ... with no bolt in it. That caused the hammer to beat out a slot in the magazine area. A bit of welding, a bit of filing, a recoat with bake on GunCoat, and it was as good as new. And even with those ratty bores, I never had any of those AR 10 that would shoot over 2" @ 10 yds with Ball ammo.
SO, if you want to build an AR 10 based on the ORIGINAL design, I will take at least one or two. The fact that the internal parts would not be readily available AR 15 bits, and have to be limited production probably makes this totally unrealistic, but a man can still dream, right?
[;{)
LAZ 1
PS: Does anyone know what happened to the production machinery that AI, the Dutch manufacturer, used to build the AR 10s?? Maybe some of it still exists, and maybe there is even a stash of AR 10 original parts still over there, just waiting ...
Like I said, a man can dream,
